Political Roundup for May 16th, 2017

Tonight is the SC-5 Republican Congressional primary runoff between Tommy Pope and Ralph Norman, the Pittsburgh Mayoral election, L.A. City Council elections and various legislative special elections and municipal elections. See HERE for our preview of all of today’s elections and check back with us tonight at 7PM for our liveblog with all the results of today’s races.

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CA-Gov: 32 year old Silicon Valley venture capitalist Sam Altman confirmed that he may throw his hat into the ring and run for Governor. Altman is the president of Y Combinator, a start-up technology incubator that has invested in companies such as Airbnb, Dropbox and Stripe. He is a registered Democrat, has been a loud critic of Donald Trump and funds a voter engagement non-profit. If he runs for governor Altman could self fund his campaign.

HI-Gov:  State Rep. Bob McDermott (R) has officially entered the race for Governor. McDermott is one of only five Republican members of the Hawaii state legislature and would face an uphill task of winning in Hawaii as a Republican.

PA-Gov: State House Speaker Mike Turzai (R) has sent a letter to Republican State Committee members telling them he is seriously considering a run for Governor.

VA-Gov: Contrary to reported rumors Corey Stewart (R) did not drop out of the race for Governor. Instead he teased everyone into watching him give a speech in which he did not denounce racist white nationalist Richard Spencer or his pro-Confederate neo-KKK torch lit protest in Charlottesville, VA. Stewart’s support for keeping monuments to the Confederacy has become the focal point of the native Minnesotans campaign for Governor of Virginia. By tying himself to racist white nationalist, Stewart has completely beclowned himself and hopefully will get destroyed by Ed Gillespie in the June 13th GOP primary.


AL-Sen: Rep. Mo Brooks (R) announced that he will run in Alabama’s special Senate election later this year. Brooks, who has been aligned with the Tea Party and is a member of the House Freedom Caucus, will challenge appointed Sen. Luther Strange (R). Brooks will not have to give up his House seat to run in the special election. State Rep. Ed Henry, former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, businessman Dom Gentile, and Christian Coalition of Alabama President Randy Brinson are all running for the GOP Senate nomination already. Alabama Senate President Pro Tempore Del Marsh is also taking steps toward running. On the Democratic side, former U.S. Attorney Doug Jones and medical marijuana advocate Ron Crumpton are running.

MO-Sen: Rep. Ann Wag­n­er (R) is planning to enter the Senate race in July, according to two sources familiar with her plans. Private polling has show her already leading Sen. Claire Mc­Caskill (D).


AZ-1: The GOP blew a prime opportunity at picking up this open house seat in 2016 when a divided Republican primary allowed scandal tarred Sheriff Paul Babeu to win the GOP primary with 30% of the vote. Donald Trump won this district by a 48% to 47% margin while Babeu lost by a 51% to 43% margin. Hoping to avoid the same mistake in 2018 local Republicans are trying to rally around and clear the field for state Sen. Steve Smith (R) who just announced he will challenge freshman Rep. Tom O’Halloran (D).

AZ-2: Democrat Matt Heinz sponsored an internal PPP poll that showed both him and Anne Kirkpatrick (D) beating incumbent Rep. Martha McSally (R) by 4 points 48% to 44%. This poll should be taken with a massive grain of salt. McSally beat Heinz by a 54% to 46% margin in 2016 while Hillary Clinton was winning this district by 5 points. The polling of Kirkpatrick is an interesting wrinkle. While Kirkpatrick represented the neighboring AZ-1 she lives near Flagstaff which is a good 265 miles away from AZ-2.

CA-25: Attorney Bryan Caforio (D)  announced he will seek a rematch against Rep. Steve Knight (R) in 2018. Knight beat Caforio 53.1% to 46.9% in 2016 while Hillary was beating Donald Trump 50% to 44%. Two other Democrats, Vulcanologist Jess Phoenix and non-profit executive Katie Hill, also announced they will be running in the top two jungle primary.

GA-6: With a little more than 5 weeks to go before the June 20th election Gravis finds Hans Solo Jon Ossoff (D) holds a 47% to 45% lead over Karen Handel (R). It is worth noting that Ossoff is polling one point worse than he did in the primary and that this poll is assuming a 29% African American electorate in a district that is 13% black.

GA-6: The GOP is sending in the cavalry to help Karen Handel (R) win. Handel has already landed visits from President Donald Trump and House Speaker Paul Ryan and Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Marco Rubio are planning to come to the district and campaign for her as well.

OH-1: One term former Rep. Steve Driehaus (D) is returning home after spending the last six years working in the Peace Corps in Africa. He has ruled out seeking a re-match with Rep. Steve Chabot (R) or seeking any other political office in the future.

MT-AL: Three of the more important Montana newspapers, the Independent Record (Helena), the Billings Gazette and the Missoulian (Missoula) endorsed Republican Greg Gianforte for Congress. The Gazette noted that “Quist seems unable to tell the truth about his own finances and may even be ducking property taxes that most of us would have to pay” and that “The Montana Democratic Party owns much of Quist’s failure. It seems unable to use Google to find basic information, and sadly has a remarkable recent track record of fielding subpar candidates”.

NY-14: Rep. Joe Crowley (D) has spent $70,000 of campaign funds on renting a “campaign” office from his brother that is located outside of his district. This could be a violation of House Ethics rules

NY-27:  Lt. Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) threw cold water on some Democrats hope that she would seek a rematch with Rep. Chris Collins (R) in 2018. Collins unseated Hochul in 2012 beating her by a narrow 50.8% to 49.2% margin. Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) then picked Hochul to be his running mate in 2014. Hochul says she fully anticipates running again with Gov. Cuomo in 2018. Hochul would have to be insane to voluntarily give up her cushy job as Lt. Governor for a long shot run at beating Rep. Chris Collins. Collins won re-election in 2016 with 62.3% of the vote while Donald Trump was winning his district by a 60% to 35% margin. Her husband William Hochul, who is a former US Attorney from western New York, might be a more logical recruit for the Democrats for this seat.

TX-7: So far a total of seven Democrats have announced their intent to challenge Rep. John Culberson (R) in 2018. In his 9 terms in Congress Culberson has never won election with less than a 12 point margin of victory. But that hasn’t stopped Jason Westin, Alex Triantaphyllis, Debra Kerner, Joshua Butler, and James Cargas from wanting to run. But clearly 5 potential Democrat candidates are not enough to take on a historically safe GOP incumbent in a district in which Hillary Clinton won 48.5% of the vote. So last week #Resistance member Laura Moser launched a campaign and this week Houston lawyer Lizzie Pannill Fletcher has entered the race as well. Hopefully the number of potential Democrat challengers can reached double digits before the Texas filing deadline closes.

VA-10: A fifth Democrat has entered the race to challenge Rep. Barbara Comstock (R). Former Naval intelligence officer David Hanson will join former teachers union head Kimberly Adams, Army veteran Dan Helme, former Obama administration official Lindsey Davis Stover and state Sen. Jennifer Wexton in seeking the Democrat nomination. The DCCC recruited Wexton to run and pushed Virginia 1st Lady Dorothy McAuliffe out of the race, but they clearly can’t completely clear the field for her. Hopefully this large Democrat primary field will get larger and bloodier!

State, Local & Other:

NC-Voter Fraud: An investigation by the North Carolina Board of Elections has found that 508 voters who cast ballots last November were not eligible to vote. 441 votes came from active felons who were ineligible to vote, 41 votes came from non-citizens, 24 came from people who voted twice and 2 votes came from people who falsely voted using the name of a family member who’d recently died. Considering that just under 4.75 million votes were cast, 508 ineligible votes seems like a pretty reasonable error rate. With that said it does not mean that more could not be done to make that rate even lower. Unfortunately, both Democrats and Republicans would rather play politics with the issue of voter fraud than actually work together to pass sensible election reforms to lower the rate that these type of voter errors occur.

U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican: Donald Trump has tapped Callista Gingrich, the wife of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, to be the next U.S. ambassador to the Vatican

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  • davybaby May 16, 2017 at 8:14 am

    The Montana newspapers cited above, the Independent Record (Helena), the Billings Gazette and the Missoulian (Missoula), are all part of the Lee newspaper chain, the flagship of which is the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

  • Tekzilla May 16, 2017 at 8:22 am

    And Trump’s tweets this morning basically confirm the WAPO story.

    36/M/NY-01 (D)

    • Ryan_in_SEPA May 16, 2017 at 9:00 am

      It looks like Trump is watching cable news again. Congressional Republicans would be smart to remove the White House cable line item from the budget.

      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

    • cer May 16, 2017 at 9:41 am

      Generally the WP overblew what Trump did.

      Conservative first, Republican second!

      • andyroo312 May 16, 2017 at 9:52 am

        If a Democratic president did this, Republicans and conservative media would resoundingly be screaming impeachment.


        • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 10:03 am

          We probably wouldnt know if a Democratic President did it because it wouldnt have leaked out of the room

          • MikeFL May 16, 2017 at 11:16 am

            Any competent President, Democratic or Republican, wouldn’t have done this in the first place. I don’t think the leaks are good, but I’m sure some of the people doing the leaking are doing so because the top doesn’t listen/is too busy trying to impress foreign powers with “how great are intel is”.

            26 | FL-16/27 | FisCon

            • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 11:25 am

              Well we know what Hillary’s attitude toward classified intel is…

        • HS May 16, 2017 at 10:07 am

          They might but they would be wrong to do so.

          Impeachment is supposed to be about high crimes and misdemeanors. This is neither. At worst it is reckless, but not criminal, since the President is allowed to disclose what he wants, when he wants. It is also a jerk move towards his flunkies, who denied he did this.

          An example of an illegal (and reckless) crime was Hillary’s use of a private server, which revealed a lot more classified material to the world, and probably with much more dangerous results.

          • krazen1211 May 16, 2017 at 10:33 am

            ‘If a Dem President did X’ hot takes basically ignore the last 8 years. We didn’t even impeach Eric Holder. We held him in contempt in 2012..which he laughed at and ignored.

          • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 11:16 am

            No, Democrats shouldn’t be screaming impeachment right now. They should do a serious, in-depth investigation if they retake the House in 2018. Let’s have subpoenas. Let’s hear the tapes. By the end of that if it’s as bad as people are saying the Republicans will be wanting to impeach him too.

          • MikeFL May 16, 2017 at 11:18 am

            But the point is that things are steadily getting worse. It’s something new every 3 days now.

            26 | FL-16/27 | FisCon

            • cer May 16, 2017 at 12:54 pm

              …or it’s a lot of stuff being overblown by the MSM.

              Conservative first, Republican second!

              • andyroo312 May 16, 2017 at 12:59 pm

                That’s what the Nixon inner-circle used to claim.


                • The Emperor May 16, 2017 at 1:10 pm

                  Even the Nixon stuff wasn’t objectively bad. The whole thing about Watergate was them talking of the possibility of doing something, not actually doing anything

                  male/21/R/TX-22, CA-52/originally CA-45, KS-03
                  Rubio Republican

                  • roguemapper May 16, 2017 at 1:19 pm

                    Setting aside your Nixon apologism, it doesn’t seem to me that “objectively bad” is the standard here because no one seems to be defending what the Donald did from an objective standpoint but rather from a semantics standpoint. Since what the Donald has evidently done would get anyone below him charged with treason, that strongly suggests that it’s “objectively bad” by any normal standard.

                    Dem NC-11

                    • HS May 16, 2017 at 4:30 pm

                      Ha ha ha. No one gets charged with treason these days.

                      And even if you think he revealed something he shouldn’t have, do you seriously believe he did this to aid our enemy, Russia, with the intent to harm the US? Even Hillary’s extreme recklessness never made me think she was a traitor. (Or Obama, for that matter.) Just dumb or misinformed.

                    • Son_of_the_South May 16, 2017 at 4:44 pm

                      @RM and HS
                      Alright, that’s enough of this. Back to elections, please.

                      24, R, TN-09
                      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

              • MikeFL May 16, 2017 at 1:05 pm

                The MSM being hysterical doesn’t take away from the fact that this stuff is still bad. They’re not mutually exclusive.

                26 | FL-16/27 | FisCon

                • cer May 16, 2017 at 1:35 pm

                  Seeing what he did supposedly didn’t give away methods or approaches….. how do any of you know if anything was compromised.

                  A few of you seem to be falling for this whole thing is quite Nixonian which it isn’t.

                  Conservative first, Republican second!

                  • andyroo312 May 16, 2017 at 1:52 pm

                    I’ll give you this – I would never, ever compare Donald Trump to a brilliant, albeit deeply troubled man like Richard Nixon.


                    • cer May 16, 2017 at 2:26 pm

                      I wouldn’t want to be ever compared to Nixon on anything, and I don’t care how brilliant he was….

                      Conservative first, Republican second!

        • cer May 16, 2017 at 10:30 am

          The key being, there is no evidence that he gave the Russians specifics of what country gave the USA this info.

          Conservative first, Republican second!

          • MikeFL May 16, 2017 at 11:19 am

            The fact that we’re playing semantics here says enough. Obviously doesn’t rise to the level of impeachment that we know of, but it’s still not good optics and is detrimental to future intelligence gathering.

            26 | FL-16/27 | FisCon

        • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 1:36 pm

          No one denies that the President of the United States has the right to declassify information and share it with whomever he likes. Nothing Trump did is an impeachable offense. The real question is did Trump give this information to the Russians as part of a policy goal to build a better working relationship with the Russians or did Trump give them the classified information because he’s a rank amateur who likes to run his mouth and has no idea what he’s doing as President. On the former a serious debate can be had about the wisdom (or lack there of) of this policy. On the latter…oh f***! My two cents it is the latter. The errors Trump has been making is that of someone who doesnt have the temperament, managerial skills or knowledge to be President of the United States. The #NeverTrump folks tried to warn our fellow Republicans of this and now Trump’s buffoonery can kill our historical chance to finally enact real conservative reforms and legislation. Yes Trump’s judicial picks have been nice but the sadness of the opportunity cost we lost is overwhelming. We voted for the lesser of two evils and now we get 4 years of a Reality TV President stumbling from one plot twist to another. But dont worry he will fire Spicer next week or start a Twitter war with someone and we will be on to the scandal in this endless stream of crapology.

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          • roguemapper May 16, 2017 at 1:38 pm

            David Brooks put it best: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/opinion/trump-classified-data.html

            “We’ve got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.”

            Dem NC-11

          • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 1:50 pm

            To many of us, avoiding “real conservative reform” is a feature, not a bug. The priorities of Conservative, Inc. are deeply repulsive to much of the Republican base (ie slashing all government spending to maximize high-earner tax cuts). The GOP might not have survived passing the Ryan Plan.

            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

            • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 2:02 pm

              Yes, liberals, communist, people who want an alternative right and whatever the heck you are don’t want conservative reforms. The rest of us do. The Republican base swept the GOP into power in the House and Senate in 2010 and 2014 demanding conservative reforms. In 2016 they got bamboozled by a con man. If mulligans existed in politics I like to think that 40% of the GOP primary electorate might rethink their decision.

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              • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 3:38 pm

                A majority of Republicans support higher tax rates on people who make over $250,000k. https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2016/06/230017.jpg&w=480

                Similarly, Republican voters oppose decreasing Medicare benefits, 68-30 (not that different from Democrats at 71-28). http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1144a3FiscalCliff.pdf

                Assuming that there’s some people who think the tax rates are roughly where we want them to be (such as me), the Paul Ryan school of cut everything to maximize high-earner tax cuts is probably less popular than many conspiracy theories (such as birtherism or Russian vote-hacking). Hell, the very fact that I’m okay with the current tax rates (as opposed to wanting to hike them), probably puts me to the RIGHT of the median Republican voter and thus all the way on the far-right-end of the American electorate.

                In general, my economic views (and not my social views) are still far off on the right end of the American political spectrum, which should say something about the American electorate.

                I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

                • TexasR May 16, 2017 at 4:06 pm

                  …that people are easily swayed by platitudes and that polling about complex issues doesn’t tell us very much?

                  Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
                  Be careful what you wish for

                  • indocon May 16, 2017 at 5:23 pm

                    Ohhh yeah, the dumbness of the electorate to understand complex issues.

                    The next few months should be interesting in that the Paul Ryan school of cut taxes for millionaires as core of GOP’s policies finally gets buried, I hope.

                    • GOPTarHeel May 16, 2017 at 5:24 pm

                      It won’t, because:

                      1) That’s what the donor class wants.
                      2) That’s what the stale old been-around-since-Reagan pundit class wants.
                      3) Trump isn’t disciplined or interested enough in policy to build an alternative movement.

                      R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

      • Tekzilla May 16, 2017 at 10:06 am

        Oh really?

        “I am told that what the President did is actually far worse than what is being reported,” writes @EWErickson


        Do tell please.

        36/M/NY-01 (D)

        • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 11:11 am

          Erick Erickson is not the type to exaggerate about these things. He has been more than fair to President Trump even though he was very critical of him during the election.

  • krazen1211 May 16, 2017 at 8:46 am

    In the extremely unlikely chance (imo) that Cornyn leaves the Senate, it looks like Joaquin Castro might be in.


    McCaul should beat him easily…and his appointment would clean up a lot of the Austin vote clog so we can move the 10th district wholly into metro Houston.

    I can see strange things happening with the Texas filing deadline like it did in 2006…we seem to be on the 2006 timeline where the current case hits Supreme Court sometime in early 2017 and results in throwing the 2018 cycle off balance.

    Elsewhere…I have no idea why Kirkpatrick wouldn’t just run for Senate again.

    • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 8:58 am

      McCaul? Do you really think he could win a Senate primary? If Greg Abbott was smart he will name a placeholder and let everyone fight it out in a special senate election primary.

      Follow me on Twitter: @Izengabe_

      • krazen1211 May 16, 2017 at 9:48 am

        Well, Mccaul is rich. Counts for something in a clown car.

        I guess the most recent example of a big state safe seat is 2009 with Paterson plucking Gillibrand out of nowhere? So not a placeholder. Obviously his incentives were different. I am still surprised that no NYC dem didn’t try to primary that seat in 2010…plenty made noise about it.

        • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 10:03 am

          Paterson is a prime example of what not to do. How he handled the Senate appointment was a big part of his downfall. He made a mess of it with Carolyn Kennedy and blocked himself out of having a seat that he could run for himself! A lot of Paterson’s problems as governor was caused by backstabbing from Cuomo’s people who wanted to push him out so Andrew could run. Paterson could have easily cut a deal with Cuomo picked a placeholder and focused on running for Senate or he could have given the Senate seat to Cuomo. Paterson gained nothing by picking Gillibrand and screwed himself out of the 1 job he really wanted for himself.

          Follow me on Twitter: @Izengabe_

      • johnintx May 16, 2017 at 2:04 pm

        I don’t think Cornyn will get the nod for FBI director. However, there is precedent. Texas law calls for a special election to fill the remainder of the term. This is a Louisiana rules election, with the top two vote getters advancing to a runoff.

        In 1993, Bill Clinton appointed Lloyd Bentsen as Secretary of the Treasury. Gov. Ann Richards then appointed former congressman Bob Krueger to the Senate seat. An election was held in June with 21 candidates on the ballot, including state treasurer Kay Bailey Hutchison and R representatives Joe Barton and Jack Fields. Hutchison advanced to the runoff, defeating the more conservative candidates, while Krueger gained enough D votes to make the runoff. Hutchison then won the runoff with 66% of the vote. It is unlikely that Hutchison, with her abortion views, would have made it through a traditional Republican primary and runoff (as Ted Cruz did against David Dewhurst). She was able to lock the seat down from that point forward, as Texas moved sharply to the right after 1993.

        McCaul, with his money and connections, would definitely be favored in a hypothetical special election. The all-comers primary/runoff setup would favor him.

        TX-02. Somewhere between Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Was #NeverTrump, now hoping for the best.

        • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 2:07 pm


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        • GoBigRedState May 16, 2017 at 3:41 pm

          Cornyn has officially withdrawn from consideration.

          45, NE-1, #NeverTrump in 2016, support Trump now as situation warrants

    • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 11:00 am

      If Trump wants an FBI director who will be totally loyal and never question him, Cornyn would be a great pick.

  • zbigreddogz May 16, 2017 at 8:56 am

    This is a good look at the potential smackdown between Nelson and Scott in Florida:


    • andyroo312 May 16, 2017 at 1:53 pm

      If Clinton was president, Scott would win. With Trump, on the other hand…


  • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 9:03 am

    Re: Callista Gingrich, When I was writing the Roundup today I was tempted to write “For what shall it profit a man to sell his soul to get his wife an Ambassadorship to Holy See?” but I decided to play nice and bite my tongue.

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    • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 9:03 am

      No word yet on where Donald Trump is sending Chris Christie’s wife.

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      • Ryan_in_SEPA May 16, 2017 at 9:12 am

        Democratic Republic of Congo.

        31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

    • HS May 16, 2017 at 9:29 am

      I am not Catholic, but isn’t it a problem for the Vatican that Callista was the other woman for a married man?

      • dforston May 16, 2017 at 9:33 am

        She’s becoming an ambassador, not a nun.

        • HS May 16, 2017 at 9:50 am

          The point is that Ambassadors are supposed to appeal to the nation they are sent to. I would think they would look down on her.

          • TheWizardOf144 May 16, 2017 at 9:57 am

            Evidently, she’s used to it.

    • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 11:19 am

      Sweet gig, I’d like to live in Rome for a couple of years.

      • californianintexas May 16, 2017 at 7:59 pm

        My husband visited Rome as part of a family trip to Italy he took 6 years ago, before we married. He enjoyed it.

        34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

  • bluewahoo May 16, 2017 at 9:40 am

    VA-Gov: WaPo/GMU poll has Gillespie leading among registered voters 37%, to Stewart’s 12% and Wagner’s 13%. Among likely voters its Gillespie 38%, Stewart 18%, Wagner 15%.


    • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 9:48 am

      The undecided numbers are huge in this poll. 24% had “no opinion” and 5% said “none”.

      Follow me on Twitter: @Izengabe_

  • RogueBeaver May 16, 2017 at 9:47 am

    Austria: Parliamentary election Oct. 15. https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk/status/864476779469316096

    QC/Blue Tory/M

    • GerGOP May 16, 2017 at 10:18 am

      With 30 years old Kurz having taken over his party in a single blow.

    • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 11:36 am

      This is very good news. A bloody primary is the last thing we needed here and Josh Mandel was beating Brown in the last OH-Sen poll.

      Follow me on Twitter: @Izengabe_

      • prsteve11 May 16, 2017 at 12:25 pm

        Agreed. I think Tiberi’s decision can help keep his House seat in GOP hands. Ohio has been drifting rightward and President Trump seems popular there and that might be enough to sink the far-to-liberal-for-Ohio Sherrod Brown.

        SC-03, Conservative Republican

    • Mayor Perk May 16, 2017 at 12:30 pm

      Sigh. He would have made an excellent Senator.

      Tiberi’s House seat would not be in jeopardy even in an open seat scenario. Thanks to the Columbus Dem vote sink in OH-03, Tiberi’s district shifted and it’s far more rural (and far more red) than it was previously (when it was more Columbus suburbs).

      30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

  • Upstater22 May 16, 2017 at 11:58 am

    Two UK polls today

    Con 47% (-1)
    Lab 33% (+2)
    LD 7% (-1)
    UKIP 5% (-)
    Green 3% (+1)

    Con 47% (+3)
    Lab 29% (+1)
    LD 8% (-3)
    UKIP 6% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)

    The Panelbase poll represents a high point for Labour and a low point for LibDems in recent polling.

    Conservative, because facts are more important than feelings

    • cer May 16, 2017 at 12:56 pm

      It sure still looks really bad for Labour.

      Conservative first, Republican second!

  • Tekzilla May 16, 2017 at 1:16 pm

    Guilfoyle in talks to replace Spicer. Sadly it’s Kimberly from Fox News and not Gilfoyle from Silicon Valley.

    Ah well, can’t win me all.


    36/M/NY-01 (D)

    • jncca May 16, 2017 at 1:46 pm

      Ex-wife of Gavin Newsom!

      24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

      • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 2:05 pm

        It will make things interesting when Gov Newsom runs for President vs Trump in 2020. 😉

        Follow me on Twitter: @Izengabe_

    • andyroo312 May 16, 2017 at 1:55 pm

      I like her! Which is why she shouldn’t hop aboard this Titanic of an administration.


      • cer May 16, 2017 at 2:29 pm

        This administration isn’t in Titanic category as of yet, but the POTUS needs to sign some significant bills soon, like tax reform.

        Conservative first, Republican second!

        • Boehnerwasright May 16, 2017 at 3:26 pm

          Remember before they can use reconciliation for tax reform, they have to pass a budget for 2018 to unlock reconciliation. And you can only do that after passing the AHCA or the AHCA looses reconciliation protection.

          And at the slow speed the senate is moving forward on the AHCA, I don’t think tax reform will even be startet soon.

    • SlippingJimmy May 16, 2017 at 4:36 pm

      Nice to see another Silicon Valley fan in here.

      Republican, TX-22.

      • Tekzilla May 16, 2017 at 5:01 pm

        If you like Better Call Saul too then its right back at you!

        36/M/NY-01 (D)

        • SlippingJimmy May 17, 2017 at 12:36 am

          BCS is my favorite show on TV right now, so yeah.

          I was about to be all like, “How’d you know I’m a BCS fan” until I realized that my username was SlippingJimmy.

          Republican, TX-22.

      • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 5:13 pm

        But I haven’t started the new season yet.

  • Tekzilla May 16, 2017 at 1:40 pm

    Israel was the source of the intel that Trump revealed during Meeting with Russians according to sources.

    Has Russia shared with you know who already?

    36/M/NY-01 (D)

    • roguemapper May 16, 2017 at 1:42 pm

      Yep, Mossad was my guess. All the signs pointed in that direction.

      Dem NC-11

      • Wahoowa May 16, 2017 at 8:25 pm

        Actually, a lot of signs pointed to Jordan. Israel wasn’t exactly a dark horse, though.


  • StatenIslandTest May 16, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    NJ-11: Freylinghuysen facing questions over letter to bank targeting employee who was part of “Change the 11th” opposition group:


    31, Jersey City

    • cer May 16, 2017 at 2:46 pm

      Congressman Freylinghuysen is a very good candidate to face a strong primary challenger.

      Conservative first, Republican second!

  • krazen1211 May 16, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    So Cooper thinks that NC will be back with new voter id within 2 weeks.

  • MosheM May 16, 2017 at 2:39 pm

    Marco Rubio on White House issues: “Certainly it’s less than ideal, but it is what it is.”


    hat tip @KilloughCNN

    29, M, R, NY-10

    • StatenIslandTest May 16, 2017 at 2:48 pm

      PPP-National: Trump 40-54, losing to most 2020 challengers, generic ballot getting dicey for GOP:

      The only possible upside here is he still has a window to stabilize but its closing in terms of the midterms.

      31, Jersey City

      • TexasR May 16, 2017 at 2:58 pm

        I’m not really sure why anybody was expecting anything else when they voted for the Donald.

        Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
        Be careful what you wish for

        • Greyhound May 16, 2017 at 9:52 pm

          I got what I wanted when Trump proved to the collective GOP that pure Reaganism was so dead that it was not even popular within the GOP anymore. Everything else since that is just gravy, because we needed to clear that metaphorical hump before we could start actually winning again.

          R, 26, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

          • TexasR May 16, 2017 at 10:06 pm

            Did he actually do so while coming up with anything new though? It seems to me that all he did was force us to adopt the Democrats’ position on many issues. An actual leader would have done something other than spew things like “manufacturing has been hollowed out” (complete lie), saying NAFTA was “the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever” and an actual leader certainly would have come up with ideas that would actually solve problems rather than exacerbate them or that are merely ideas that “sound tough” (like tariffs and walls).
            An actual leader would have said that manufacturing is still strong: that in terms of added value, American manufacturing has never been doing better. An actual leader would have said that thanks to free trade food is cheaper, clothes are cheaper, steel is cheaper, cars are cheaper, phone service is cheaper. That free trade lowers prices and raises income. That every man, woman, and child in America has benefitted from it.
            That’s what a real leader would have done. Instead, we got a conman who is a closet Democrat pretending to be Archie Bunker who has convinced himself and apparently half the party apparatus that his own lies are the truth, and who will drag the entire party down with him.

            Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
            Be careful what you wish for

          • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 12:09 am

            The metaphorical hump might be the GOP itself. Your sentence implies that the GOP is a rational political actor that is actually capable of change and evolution to adapt to its voters and the broader electorate. That increasingly seems false. The GOP’s response to even its own voters totally rejecting its mantra is to double-down on that mantra and try to kill the messenger (Trump), even if it means destroying the GOP in the process. At this point, I’d be perfectly okay with that happening. If the GOP has absolutely no interest in functioning as an actual governing alternative to the Democrats and will stop at nothing to tell its own voters to kill themselves by actually playing along with this impeachment crap, better for the GOP to completely die off and be replaced by people who can actually do the job. Split the vote and watch Nancy Pelosi get more seats than Theresa May. At least that would remind everyone of why we need an actual functioning political party on the right.

            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

      • roguemapper May 16, 2017 at 3:10 pm

        20% think that the Donald would have prevented the Civil War…

        Dem NC-11

        • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 3:45 pm

          Donald Trump would have freed the slaves and gotten the British to pay for it!

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      • jncca May 16, 2017 at 3:21 pm

        What do you mean it’s closing? He has over a year. Do I think it will happen? No. But Trump has plenty of time to turn it around. It’s very early.

        24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

        • StatenIslandTest May 16, 2017 at 4:39 pm

          He does but I think the election narrative is often set the year before. Remember in 2009 the Tea Party plus some overreach from the Dem trifecta made GOP gains look possible if not likely.

          31, Jersey City

          • jncca May 16, 2017 at 5:33 pm

            Tea Party didn’t even begin until fall ’09 I don’t think.

            24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

      • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 3:22 pm

        Who would you rather was President: Barack
        Obama or Donald Trump?
        Barack Obama 55%
        Donald Trump 39%
        Not sure 6%

        Donald Trump 41%
        Hillary Clinton 45%
        Gary Johnson 4%
        Jill Stein 2%
        Someone else 8%

        Hillary Clinton 49%
        Donald Trump 41%
        Not sure 10%

        Joe Biden 54%
        Donald Trump 40%
        Not sure 6%

        Cory Booker 46%.
        Donald Trump 39%
        Not sure 15%

        Al Franken 46%
        Donald Trump 38%
        Not sure 16%

        Bernie Sanders 52%
        Donald Trump 39%
        Not sure 9%

        Elizabeth Warren 49%
        Donald Trump 39%
        Not sure 12%

        Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson 42%
        Donald Trump 37%
        Not sure 21%

        You know this poll is bunk when Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson is polling worst than Al Franken.

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        • fzw May 16, 2017 at 4:48 pm

          I hope Gorsuch was worth it for a President Warren in 2020

          Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
          R-leaning Indy.

          • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 4:52 pm

            Dont get too ahead of yourself. Notice PPP didnt poll Kanye!

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          • GOPTarHeel May 16, 2017 at 5:18 pm

            Even assuming that PPP is anywhere near accurate, which is quite the debatable presumption these days, yes it was. Because a Hillary presidency with a liberal majority on the court would have been absolutely disastrous for conservatives in every respect.

            R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

            • fzw May 16, 2017 at 5:43 pm

              Well setting aside there’s really no real conservative agenda that a court can overturn now since the GOP trifecta is incapable of passing anything, I doubt that Hillary would’ve been able to appoint and confirm three SCOTUS for justices before a likely 2018 bloodbath. Had Breyer or Ginsburg passed, McConnell could’ve just kept those seats vacant and we’d be no different than we were last year. President Hillary would’ve had zero leverage. But we’ll never know.

              Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
              R-leaning Indy.

              • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 5:46 pm

                Not true at all. A liberal Supreme Court overturns every right-leaning policy in every city and state in the United States. That’s the real danger in courts – their tendency to disastrously assume control of education, healthcare, policing, and all of the basic functions of government that most people interact with on a daily basis.

                Not to mention the grievous economic damage such a court would wreak on corporate law, tort law, everything. Even local-level permitting – a liberal Supreme Court also probably grinds almost all land development in the United States to a halt in a fashion similar to California.

                A liberal court really does mean the end of electoral democracy in the United States, because no election will matter anymore, not local, not state, not federal.

                I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

                • fzw May 16, 2017 at 5:51 pm

                  Your missing my broader point. Even if Hillary had won, it’d be pretty unlikely that liberals would’ve had a long term court majority. Breyer AND Ginsburg would’ve had to step down prior to 2018, as that would’ve been their only window to do so, really. And I really doubt both of them would have. And this is assuming that Democrats have the Senate in that time frame, which also isn’t a given had Hillary just flipped the three <1% Trump states.

                  Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
                  R-leaning Indy.

                  • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 5:57 pm

                    They would have absolutely stepped down. The only reason they didn’t step down in the Obama-era was because they were so certain Hillary Clinton was going to win.

                    You’re also implying that the Congressional GOP actually cares about living in a democracy or has a basic modicum of competence. They are morons. They would sign away their entire future and the fate of every local government in America on the basis of civility as soon as the media told them that they had to do it to maintain whatever bull**** Senate norm.

                    Plus, a brief liberal majority is all you need. As soon as 5 liberal justices get on the SC, then every federal district judge is going to start drawing Maryland and Illinois style maps, calling for elections on their own, etc.

                    This is a much scarier proposition than Hillary Clinton ruling by decree, because a rule-by-decree Clinton could be unelected, while our rule-by-decree Court cannot. Even if Maduro was defeated, his Court would have still rigged the system.

                    I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

              • GOPTarHeel May 16, 2017 at 5:48 pm

                It’s not that a court could overturn a conservative agenda, it’s that they’d allow Hillary’s unilateral moves on amnesty, fund-shifting, and gun control to move forward without a check. She’d basically rule by unilateral decree and via rule-making. The Supreme Court would have also rendered GOP control of the states worthless and gutted the House map.

                R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

                • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 6:05 pm

                  The problem isn’t that Hillary Clinton could rule-by-decree. Anything she does by decree, the next President can do the reverse. At the very least, she could be defeated in an election if she went truly off the rails. Hillary Clinton going all Sulla, Roman-style dictator isn’t the fear since any horrible outcomes are largely reversible (that’s the real beauty of democracy).

                  The problem is that we’d go into a situation where we could try to unelect her policies in 2020, but the courts would then veto that. This is essentially the situation that the Venezuelan opposition is in: even unelecting Maduro wouldn’t change anything – so violence is the only option.

                  A liberal Supreme Court creates a country where you have closed off all peaceful avenues of political change – and that’s an existential threat unlike that of any imaginable politician.

                  I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

          • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 5:42 pm

            Yes. Gorsuch would be worth even a Jeremy Corbyn or Hugo Chavez presidency. Losing an election is preferable to a system where elections no longer matter.

            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

          • Republican Michigander May 16, 2017 at 5:44 pm

            Frankly, Gorsuch is worth it. It’d be even more worth it if McConnell can get off his arse and start filling all the vacancies.

            MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

            • TexasR May 16, 2017 at 5:46 pm

              Will it have been worth it if President Harris and Majority Leader Schumer get to replace Justice Thomas with Justice Liu?

              Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
              Be careful what you wish for

              • GOPTarHeel May 16, 2017 at 5:49 pm

                If Republican voters had followed your advice we already would have lost the Court already.

                R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

                • shamlet May 16, 2017 at 5:51 pm

                  Unproductive line of discussion. Move on.

                  R, MD-7. Put not your trust in princes. Process is more important than outcome.

              • fzw May 16, 2017 at 5:52 pm

                Or Ginsburg and Breyer (if they hold on to 2021) with other young Ivy League liberal SJW’s? I’m skeptical a President Hillary would’ve gotten the chance to replace them.

                Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
                R-leaning Indy.

          • pstchrisp May 16, 2017 at 7:12 pm

            I think Warren would be the worst choice for Dems. SuperPACS will rightly make her “Rachel Dolezal 2020” for her gaming Affirmative Action. You could say it didn’t work for Brown, but he wasn’t vicious about it like Trump will be and she still under performed Obama by 16 in Romney’s home state. I also wonder how minorities will feel about her past statements about her status as a Minority after being battered about it for months during a national campaign.
            Right now I think she might be the only Prominent D that would narrowly lose to Trump, with the map very similar to 2016.

      • cer May 16, 2017 at 4:10 pm

        ….and as soon as I see PPP as the pollster, salt to grain.

        PPP is right up there with a more conservative pollster like Rasmussen when it comes to credibility.

        Conservative first, Republican second!

      • indocon May 16, 2017 at 5:26 pm


    • andyroo312 May 16, 2017 at 2:52 pm

      Decisive as ever!


      • Ryan_in_SEPA May 16, 2017 at 3:10 pm

        As I have always said, Rubio does not seem like he is capable of taking a bold stand on anything.

        31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

        • The Emperor May 16, 2017 at 6:11 pm

          This is all BS, the reporter didn’t quote the entire interview. Rubio’s statement was that he wanted to hear the testimony to Congress from the White House before passing judgement.

          male/21/R/TX-22, CA-52/originally CA-45, KS-03
          Rubio Republican

    • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 3:09 pm

      LOL! “It is what it is” is Marco Rubio’s way of saying don’t blame me I tried to warn you folks about this clown. The voters made their decision and now they must be punished.

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  • Ryan_in_SEPA May 16, 2017 at 3:13 pm


    Is this some sort of bizarre joke?

    31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

    • TexasR May 16, 2017 at 3:20 pm

      Believe it or not, that’s only the 873rd time I’ve had that same thought about news coming out of the White House since January 20!

      Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
      Be careful what you wish for

    • prsteve11 May 16, 2017 at 5:06 pm

      Anyone who’s watched the Five for very long or other shows she appears on will know that KG is a huge Donald Trump supporter, so this doesn’t surprise me. But if she takes the job, it will be a killer.

      SC-03, Conservative Republican

  • rdelbov May 16, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    Legal chatter is all over the place about federal judge appointments. Kentucky IMO will happen fast


    McConnell is lining conservative -talented appointees. Delaware with its two D senators is in a bit of a La La Land fantasy


    DE is in a world of hurt with two of four judgeships being vacant. Yet Coons and Carper are not sure if they want to play ball with Trump. Actually Delaware is in line for another district court spot based on docket workload and now it has vacant spots. I suspect the GOP will not like the commission idea.

    • prsteve11 May 16, 2017 at 5:08 pm

      The Senate needs to keep going on the judicial confirmations. It’s a big deal.

      SC-03, Conservative Republican

  • Mike1965 May 16, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    Sen Hirono to undergo treatment for kidney cancer.


    Wishing her the best.


    • rdelbov May 16, 2017 at 4:24 pm

      Best wishes to her-

    • shamlet May 16, 2017 at 4:57 pm

      In spite of the tone of the statement, this is most likely seriously bad news. If that rib lesion is metastasis and not some sort of red herring her odds are not good, though the fact that they are planning to do surgery on it means that it might be localized enough to still be survivable. Thoughts are with her and her family.

      R, MD-7. Put not your trust in princes. Process is more important than outcome.

  • cer May 16, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    Perhaps it’s time for the Justice Department to take another look into this scandal!?


    Conservative first, Republican second!

  • rdelbov May 16, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    I think I will miss the returns tonight from South Carolina. Best wishes to my fellow Ralph!! He is a few years older and a bit more of a Southerner then me but hopeful for a win for him tonight.

    • cer May 16, 2017 at 4:44 pm

      Looks like a lot of conservatives are leaning towards Ralph.

      Conservative first, Republican second!

      • rdelbov May 16, 2017 at 5:06 pm

        Older voters will select this nominee–Tommy sounds like a young kid while Ralph sounds like a mature leader of men!
        I note that Thomas- “Tommy” Pope clearly went for the good ole boy name so maybe he knows what he is doing?

        I am not close enough to SC to get a feel for how this race ends up.

  • kewgardens May 16, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    From CNBC:

    “Latest Trump-Russia Leak Smells Like A Coup Attempt”

    Its time that this narrative gets pushed a little harder.

    • prsteve11 May 16, 2017 at 5:04 pm

      All you need to do is read CNN’s home page and you’ll realize who’s behind the coup. Earlier, they talked about the White House being under ‘siege’. I thought, sure, but who is besieging the White House? The media. They will trumpet (pun not intended) any Trump shortcoming or mistake – perceived or otherwise – in their endless desire to bring him down or to hurt him at the very least. True, President Trump has made some missteps but I’ve never seen the MSM be this bloodthirsty against a president before. The irony of it all is that this is a president who doesn’t believe in giving up or quitting, so I don’t know what they’re expecting him to do but it’s not like he’s going to resign or something.

      SC-03, Conservative Republican

      • Manhatlibertarian May 16, 2017 at 6:23 pm

        My question is that supposedly the problem with Trump telling the Russians about a certain city where ISIS was hatching a plot, is that the Russians may be able to figure out what ally gave the US this information. So why are anonymous officials now releasing the name of the ally (Israel) to the press. If what Trump said was a blunder, deliberately releasing the name of the ally to the press is worse. I personally would rather see someone else other than Trump as Pres but deliberately leaking the name of the ally (who Trump never named) is unauthorized leakage of classified information and needs to be investigated.

        Ironically the Israeli ambassador to the US played down the incident.

        • HS May 16, 2017 at 8:05 pm


          Although we should keep in mind that the Times released that information, and they might just want to harm Israel.

          • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 8:08 pm

            Plus, if the intel is Israeli, the Israelis probably already share that with Russia. Unlike the US foreign policy establishment, the Israelis are smart and are willing to cooperate with people they don’t particularly love against people they really really hate.

            Europeans and Americans are the only people on Earth who think that there’s a second cold war and that Israel is an apartheid state.

            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

  • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 4:50 pm

    @Ryan who would have guessed that your Because it’s the weekend clip would be so pertinent! You posted it on Friday and a mere 3 days later this literally happened:

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    • kewgardens May 16, 2017 at 5:07 pm

      Except that it is my guess that the American Left that is now condemning President Trump was cheering on the tactics of President Egghead (and attacking the George C. Scott character as a neanderthal) for the past fifty years.

  • Boehnerwasright May 16, 2017 at 5:26 pm


    NYT reports that Comey wrote a memo saying that Trump asked Comey to end the Flynn investigation. I don’t know what to say, besides that this is not unexpected anymore.

  • GOPTarHeel May 16, 2017 at 5:26 pm

    Holy freaking shit:


    R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

    • dforston May 16, 2017 at 5:32 pm

      This is resignation level stuff.

    • Tekzilla May 16, 2017 at 5:33 pm

      My god

      36/M/NY-01 (D)

    • TexasR May 16, 2017 at 5:39 pm

      An egomaniac asks somebody who answers to him to stop investigating him? I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you.

      Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
      Be careful what you wish for

    • jncca May 16, 2017 at 5:39 pm

      Typical liberal media and deep state. James Comey and his liberal friends in the media just want to take down the president!!!!1!!1!

      24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

    • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 5:39 pm

      Why do these stories always break at dinnertime? I should just stay off the internet tomorrow and come on at 5:30 to find out the latest.

      • fzw May 16, 2017 at 6:22 pm

        Seriously. This is one of two times of the day I get to see my girlfriend for a significant amount of time, and I have to spend the next thirty minutes reassuring her that it’s just another typical Tuesday afternoon in America 2017.

        Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
        R-leaning Indy.

    • Republican Michigander May 16, 2017 at 5:43 pm

      I don’t take the NY Slimes word for anything going back to when Fox Butterfield was there.

      I don’t take Trump’s word for it either.

      MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

      • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 5:47 pm

        Charitably, you can state he was just telling Comey he hoped his buddy Flynn was innocent and that Comey would find that out anyway through the course of the investigation. Course, the NYTimes source is 100% James Comey himself, so I doubt this line of explanation will go very far. More likely Trump will start calling Comey a liar on Twitter in 30 min.

      • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 6:07 pm

        The reporter who broke this story also broke Clinton email story and Bill O’Reilly scandal.

        • cer May 16, 2017 at 6:14 pm

          If it’s coming from the NY Times, it has to be accurate….. snark!

          Conservative first, Republican second!

        • Mike1965 May 16, 2017 at 6:32 pm

          He was also a Hall Of Fame 3rd baseman for the Phillies in the 70s/80s. Wait, that might have been a different Mike Schmidt 🙂 .


      • roguemapper May 16, 2017 at 8:06 pm

        If the NY Times story is false then there’s a simple solution: The Donald already said he taped the conversation, remember?

        Dem NC-11

    • MosheM May 16, 2017 at 6:13 pm

      Sick and tired. Impeach him and give us Pence.

      29, M, R, NY-10

      • cer May 16, 2017 at 6:15 pm

        There is no evidence to impeach him over anything.

        Conservative first, Republican second!

        • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 6:24 pm

          If he’s actively trying to shut down investigations of members of his cabinet, that is impeachable. A Dem-held Congress would have already written the articles by now.

          • TexasR May 16, 2017 at 6:26 pm

            Yeah, and to get this back to elections for a minute: if Congress decides to say “nothing to see here” and attempt to sweep this under the rug, well, a lot of people might decide to elect Democrats to Congress who will start investigating/impeaching.

            Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
            Be careful what you wish for

          • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 6:37 pm

            @MAXWELLSDEMON Come on! This assumes Donald Trump knows enough about the workings of the US government to even try and attempt something like that. To me this story is just the typical story of Trump the bulls**er running his mouth with no understanding of the consequences of what he’s saying.

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            • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 6:45 pm

              I’m aware Trump probably had no idea this was wrong and figured hey give it the ole college try to help a buddy out. That doesnt make it right or less of a crime.

              • Left Coast Libertarian May 16, 2017 at 7:10 pm

                Actually it does. Intent is very important. It’s part of the reason that Hillary Clinton wasn’t prosecuted. Trump wasn’t attempting to exert influence as the President. He was just trying to help out a friend. There’s no indication Comey felt that Trump was trying to obstruct justice. He just behaved the way he always does and didn’t realize when a President does these things they have a huge weight.

                If Comey felt that Trump was actively trying to kill a Flynn prosecution he should’ve taken that to the Justice Department. If they wouldn’t act he should’ve gone to congress.

                • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 7:12 pm

                  Assuming that Comey’s intent wasn’t always to maximize political harm to Donald Trump and that his October letter was anything but an attempt to cover his ass after he bought into the conventional wisdom that the election was uncontested and that Nate Silver was crazy.

                  I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

                • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 7:14 pm

                  Hillary Clinton wasnt prosecuted because James Comey was a coward. There is no “intent” statue in our law books for this type of gross misconduct, either by her or Trump.

                • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 7:16 pm

                  If he wasn’t trying to exert influence as the President then why did he fire Comey when Comey refused to drop the investigation???

                  • Left Coast Libertarian May 16, 2017 at 7:22 pm

                    The Acting Director of the FBI said under oath that there has been no attempt by the White House to drop the investigation.

                    • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 7:24 pm

                      That was the Russia investigation, this is the Flynn investigation. The two are related but separate matters. It could also be that McCabe didnt know about these memos either, since the NYTimes source is almost assuredly Comey himself.

                    • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 7:25 pm

                      He either A) lied or B) hadn’t talked to Comey about it, because there obviously were multiple attempts by the WH to throw off the investigation.

                • Wahoowa May 16, 2017 at 9:44 pm

                  A man who didn’t feel Trump was trying to obstruct justice doesn’t immediately go and write a memo to the file about it. He DEFINITELY thought it was untoward at the time.


        • andyroo312 May 16, 2017 at 7:26 pm

          Wouldn’t you rather see this buffoon impeached and allow a real conservative like Pence to take over though? I don’t get why so many are still defending this closet Democrat.


          • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 7:42 pm

            The problem with Trump getting impeached is that so much of the GOP is tied to him that we’d probably lose like 20 Senate seats and 80 House seats.

          • Izengabe May 16, 2017 at 7:43 pm

            What I would rather see is the democratic process play itself out. If Trump is to be replaced it should be by voters and not a lynch mob. Being a bad President isn’t a grounds for impeachment.

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          • HS May 16, 2017 at 8:14 pm

            I would much prefer that Trump leave and Pence take over. But I also don’t think it is good for the country to impeach and remove a President unless he actually did something that is impeachable.

            Too many people, both Democrats and Republicans, think that because Trump is a jerk, or low class, or reckless, than that is enough to justify his removal. It isn’t.

      • fzw May 16, 2017 at 6:23 pm

        Pretty sure the Democrats on this site may favor him staying in office more than the Republicans at this point (for electoral reasons)

        Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
        R-leaning Indy.

        • Tekzilla May 16, 2017 at 6:25 pm

          I think I’m done trying to game what’s better politically for my party. I just want this guy out of office ASAP. He’s a national disgrace that is only endangering Americans abroad and at home.

          36/M/NY-01 (D)

          • Mike1965 May 16, 2017 at 6:33 pm

            My view exactly.


            • cer May 16, 2017 at 7:19 pm

              Actually, the MSM reporting this info about leaks isn’t helping.

              Conservative first, Republican second!

        • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 6:26 pm

          Yes, the best time for impeachment (for Dem party chances) would be late 2019 at the earliest.

        • jncca May 16, 2017 at 6:39 pm

          I still would rather have him than a hard right competent president like Pence.

          24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 6:35 pm

        I’d be happy to see an impeachment just because the GOP Congress is worthless and an attempt to impeach a president with 90% GOP approval over things the average voter cannot care about is a great way to finally purge them all forever.

        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 6:43 pm

          Realistically impeachment by a GOP Congress is not going to happen if Trump’s approval ratings with the GOP are still 70-80% or more.

          At this rate I think impeachment is likely by a Dem House after 2018.

          • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 7:03 pm

            I have learned to never underestimate the suicidal stupidity of the congressional GOP.

            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

            • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 7:04 pm

              Fox is reporting they cannot find a single Rep member of Congress to go on TV and defend the President right now

              • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 7:08 pm

                Yeah, the people I know on the hill think impeachment is imminent and are ready to leave the party if it happens.

                I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

              • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 7:50 pm

                Ron Estes seems to just have.

                I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

                • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 7:55 pm

                  It took them 2 hours. That is not a good sign.

                  • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 8:36 pm

                    On the other hand, these are the people who spent seven years coming up with AHCA! I’m just glad it didn’t take two weeks!

                    I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • StatenIslandTest May 16, 2017 at 6:50 pm

          The question is do Ossoff and Quist go full throttke or tap the gas?

          31, Jersey City

          • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 7:00 pm

            Quist might as well go for broke since voting has been underway for like 2 weeks anyway and he probably needs a miracle. Ossoff ought to be more circumspect and allow Handel to run around like a chicken with her head cut off trying to square this circle. Ossoff just has to look reasonable, he;s already got the frothing Dem impeach vote, he needs to “return to normalcy” suburban vote.

      • indocon May 16, 2017 at 8:25 pm

        As the smartest guy on the right Steve Sailor has been saying for a while, Trump presidency is going to be like Steinbrenner owning the Yankees, daily drama, with some winning, and he ain’t going anywhere.

        As to 2020, It’s amazing how much discount RRH regulars are giving to Clinton rerun of 2020, at this point I would actually call her the favorite for the nomination for a simple reason, she will pander like crazy to AA leading up to Super Tuesday with stuff that few years ago an alderman in Chicago could not have run on like reparations, quotas, no sentencing, crackdown on cops, etc.

        • roguemapper May 16, 2017 at 8:27 pm

          I can’t imagine HRC winning the D primary in 2020 but of course I gave the Donald zero chance at winning a general election, so who knows? I’m 100% sure, though, that she won’t be getting my vote in the primary even if she’s the only one on the ballot…

          Dem NC-11

        • roguemapper May 16, 2017 at 8:54 pm

          Might I add, since your entire MO is that voters vote their race above all else, what now makes you think that AA voters in 2020 wouldn’t go for a Booker, Patrick, or Harris instead? At best your fantasy HRC strategy would result in a fractured AA vote such that the nominee would be decided by whoever prevails with the rest of the D primary electorate.

          Dem NC-11

  • Republican Michigander May 16, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    According to Gongwer, State Rep Tim Kelly (HD-94) will be leaving to take a DC job.

    It’s a district that’s been ours since I believe 1998. Kelly won it 2-1 last time in 2016 and 56-44% in 2012. It’s lean R under the current borders. Albee and Taymouth are D outside of Trump. Saginaw Twp is swingish to lean R. Thomas Twp, Tittabawassee Twp, and the Frankenmuth area is strongly R.

    D’s came within 3000 in 06 under different borders that also included D leaning Cheasening and Maple Grove.

    Jim Howell won it by 73 votes in 1998 with different borders that also had Spaulding and Bridgeport, and no Saginaw Twp.

    This could be interesting if it goes to a special election.

    MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

    • shamlet May 16, 2017 at 5:45 pm

      Is Kahn interested in serving out his last two terms of eligibility in the House? He’d probably be our best bet to hold it.

      R, MD-7. Put not your trust in princes. Process is more important than outcome.

  • GerGOP May 16, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    Some interesting palace intrigue things from Schleswig-Holstein, or why it’s good to have a two-parties system:
    As most of you know we had three state elections in Germany over the course of the last six weeks. They were being dubbed as “decisive” and “indicative” by the SPD, when they rose in the polls led by Martin Schulz and when it looked like the SPD could gain a PMship in Saarland comfortably defend theirs in both Schleswig-Holstein and NRW. Today, state elections are “only state elections”, as the SPD likes to say now and that they never are an indicator for federal elections. I live in Schleswig-Holstein and voted there. The SPD-Greens-Danish Minority Coalition didn’t get a majority and the CDU finished ahead of the SPD. There were only three realistic options left: A Grand Coalition (CDU-SPD), A Traffick Light Coalition (SPD-FDP-Greens) or a Jamaica Coalition (CDU-FDP-Greens). The Greens were said to favor Traffic, whereas FDP favored Jamacia but both remained open to both sides, but the FDP made it a requirement that a Traffic Coalition would be led by someone completely new from the SPD and not current PM Albig, or SPD Floor Leader Stegner. The incumbent Prime Minister, even after losing big in the election, apparently made up his mind to continue his work as head of government and wanted to form said Traffic Light Coalition.

    And here comes the fun part: It seems like he was actually being begged by Martin Schulz to stay on and not announce his resignation from politics prior to the elections in NRW past Sunday, because Schulz feared it could have a negative impact on turnout. All the while, you had the SPD Floor Leader Martin Stegner (an ass of a man and a real jerk) waltzing around, proclaiming that he will make a Traffic Light Coalition happen and that it’s set in stone and that they will not relinquish power. Today, the FDP State Chair and Floor Leader Wolfgang Kubicki (whom I admire greatly, whom I got to meet for an hour a couple of weeks back and will propably share dinner with next week!!!) said that he wouldn’t take this shit any longer (Stegner and Kubicki deeply despise each other) and said that the attitude that both Albig and Stegner had, made it impossible to form a Traffic Light Coalition and that the FDP won’t take part in any further talks about it. Half an hour later, Albig announced his resignation from politics and calls are growing louder for Stegner to step down – who is also one of the Vice Chairs of the SPD-at large.

    Very interesting stuff, I tell you.

    • rdelbov May 16, 2017 at 6:20 pm

      one or so seats short of a CDU-FDP majority in SH–go CDU!!

      • GerGOP May 16, 2017 at 6:42 pm

        It’ll be a Jamaica Coalition there. FDP and Greens had their first talks today and both said that it was “harmonic”. So it’s just a question of when and not if.
        And FDP and CDU are already beginning to talk in a more cordial way in NRW, too. So we’ll have two new CDU-led goverrnments in two states (one with 13 million voters, about a fifth of all voters in the country) in the matter of a few weeks.

  • MosheM May 16, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    .@GOPoversight is going to get the Comey memo, if it exists. I need to see it sooner rather than later. I have my subpoena pen ready.


    29, M, R, NY-10

    • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 7:17 pm

      Angus King talking impeachment on the news right now

      • cer May 16, 2017 at 7:20 pm

        Well, I’m sure that will get the ball rolling…. NOT

        Conservative first, Republican second!

        • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 7:23 pm

          It absolutely will when Comey’s memos come out/he testifies in front of Congress. Also, let’s spare a thought for poor Sean Spicer; I’m shocked Spicer hasnt resigned yet, his position is literally impossible and Trump will assuredly be blaming him for this tonight as well.

          • prsteve11 May 16, 2017 at 9:21 pm

            The thing is that it’s a he said/he said situation. It doesn’t matter that Comey wrote it down. If no one else was there to witness what was supposedly said, how can it be proven beyond a reasonable doubt? Besides if Comey comes out against Trump in his testimony, a lot of people will say it’s sour grapes. President Trump isn’t going anywhere.

            SC-03, Conservative Republican

            • HS May 16, 2017 at 9:28 pm

              I don’t think Trump is going anywhere, but that reasonable doubt standard doesn’t belong here. 🙂 Impeachment is not a criminal matter itself. It is political.

              • krazen1211 May 16, 2017 at 10:02 pm

                W lingered on with <40% approvals from Sept 2005 thru January 2009, basically. And the same old GOP dead establishment both let that go….and tried to revive his brother in 2016….

                The lesson from 1998 is quite obvious…parties are better off rallying around the flag. That goes doubly so if they want their 2 big pieces of legislation passed.

            • LVGOP May 17, 2017 at 2:00 am

              Except, that federal agent, (like Comey)’s testimony can be deemed admissible as the rules of evidence accept that the records like memos of meetings and such are a fair and accurate rendering of the events. The bigger issue is that for a prosecutor has to prove the obstructor acted corruptly. That’s a lot tougher. It’s nearly impossible to know what Trump was thinking and I’d be surprised if Comey recorded body language, tone, ect. At this point, you would need a tape. If a tape of the meeting came out, that would be ballgame.


    • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 7:18 pm

      One of the things about “conservative reform” is that the GOP Congress itself had no interest in it – and Trump card only to the extent of getting a “win”.

      The GOP Congress has spent more time investigating crap like Benghazi and Russia and yes, god damn emails, than doing anything anyone normal cares about. They never have ever cared about actual governing and never will.

      They might try to impeach Trump, stop existing as a party, and then declare victory.

      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

  • MosheM May 16, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) re: @nytimes report. “If this happened the FBI director should have done something about it or quit.”

    29, M, R, NY-10

    • Manhatlibertarian May 16, 2017 at 8:26 pm

      Yes this is bad news for Trump and the GOP. But unless the supposed Trump tapes exist (and I doubt they do) right now it is Trump’s word against Comey’s as to what was said about investigating Flynn, since there was no one else in the meeting. Remember in the end it was the tapes that forced Nixon to resign. But Graham is right Comey’s claim would have been more effective if he resigned in Feb after the meeting with Trump and said the Pres had tried to influence him on the Flynn investigation. Releasing the memo only after he is fired in May has the I’m going to get revenge on you for firing me aspect to it. So I doubt the GOP is going to move to impeach him now based only on Comey’s word but Trump really needs to watch where he treads these days because GOP patience in Congress with him is running out. Ironically, I don’t think there is evidence directly linking Trump to a plot with the Russians to sabotage the Clinton campaign with computer attacks, because I think it would have surfaced by now.

      • TexasR May 16, 2017 at 8:28 pm

        Yes. Such a plot would have surfaced by now because it’s clear that this White House would be incapable of covering up such a massive conspiracy.

        Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
        Be careful what you wish for

        • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 8:32 pm

          I honestly think there is no collusion, no real crime anywhere. Sure Roger Stone probably talked with the Russians and Flynn is an idiot, but it was more incompetence and ignorance than any malice. Trump is making this way bigger than it is by acting as guilty as humanly possible

      • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 8:33 pm

        If there are tapes and Congress gets their hands on them because Trump tweeted about them… just wow. The level of stupidity is mind boggling.

      • prsteve11 May 16, 2017 at 9:23 pm

        You make a good point. We also need to remember that this is like the Access Hollywood tape release. The media is hammering Trump with story after story in the attempt to damage him and bring him down. It’s nothing short of a coup attempt.

        SC-03, Conservative Republican

        • roguemapper May 16, 2017 at 9:26 pm

          A media coup to install Pence as president?

          Dem NC-11

          • prsteve11 May 16, 2017 at 10:18 pm

            Who says they think that far ahead?

            SC-03, Conservative Republican

        • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 9:26 pm

          Trump literally started this. No one told him to fire Comey and then let his spokespeople lie about it just for him to wildly contradict them on Twitter and try and threaten Comey on Twitter with tapes. No one told Trump to invite Russian TV into the Oval Office and yuck it up with them literally the day after. No one told Trump to go run his mouth off about whatever to the Russians, and then let McMaster take the fall for it. No one told Trump to do any of these incredibly stupid things that are bringing him down.

          • prsteve11 May 16, 2017 at 10:17 pm

            But if you objectively look at how the media has responded to each Trump controversy it is with hysterical blaring headlines for as long as possible. It was the same way during the campaign. I’m not saying President Trump has properly handled every situation, but the media is doing everything in its power to harm Trump and to treat him like an incompetent criminal. I don’t buy the notion that it’s all Trump’s fault for this. And the fact that publications like the Washington Post and NY Times are leading the way on all this is very telling.

            SC-03, Conservative Republican

            • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 10:26 pm

              All of these deserve blaring headlines since its pretty obvious they are all connected and the White House is trying to hide stuff. As it stands, the media will get exactly what they want. Full Republican control of Congress completely wasted on impeaching Trump and then after the ensuing Democratic landslide in 2018, a lame duck President Pence that cant do anything.

              • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 12:22 am

                LOL – you don’t have a very positive outlook on things do you? 🙂

                SC-03, Conservative Republican

                • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 12:30 am

                  We cant keep taking articles like this. One of my college buddies works at the White House. Their morale is beyond low and they are all exhausted.

    • Tekzilla May 16, 2017 at 8:39 pm

      Of course Comey is likely to say it was part of the investigation and he filed it for that reason. If thats the answer then I think they likely have a LOT on the Trump campaign.

      36/M/NY-01 (D)

  • Manhatlibertarian May 16, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    NY Tuesday Tidbits:

    Upstate GOP Congresswoman Claudia Tenney has her first Dem challenger. He is Patrick Madden, a SUNY Binghamton computer scientist. Doesn’t sound like a grade A challenger.

    In the latest 2 month period Mayor deBlasio outraised GOP challenger Paul Massey for the first time. The mayor raised $663,000 to Massey’s $545,000. Meanwhile Massey’s GOP primary opponent, Assemblywoman Nicole Malliotakis, who recently entered the race, raised $94,000 in two weeks.

    Former Dem State Senator Hiram Monserrate of Queens, who was kicked out of the State Senate and served time in prison for fraud and conspiracy, apparently thinks his “resume” entitles him to sit in the NYC Council. He plans to challenge incumbent Councilwoman Julissa Ferreras-Copeland (a former aide) for her council seat in the Dem primary. Only in New York!

    Cuomo live in girlfriend Sandra Lee can’t stomach Paul Ryan. When he was recently visiting Fox News in NY, she made it clear that she didn’t want him to stay around for her cooking show. She apparently finds his views on health care and other matters “objectionable”.

    all at:


  • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    Apparently Issa flipped off a Politico reporter when asked about the memo. I’m just going to assume he isnt running for re-election

  • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 8:21 pm

    Erick Erickson says polling has shifted against Republicans in MT and GA.

    With that said if Dems don’t win both with this news cycle I would find that a bit troubling for them.

    • fzw May 16, 2017 at 8:24 pm

      If Dems win both of those then the House is more a question of how big the Democratic majority will be in 2018.

      Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
      R-leaning Indy.

      • roguemapper May 16, 2017 at 8:30 pm

        If Dems pull off the win in MT-AL I suspect that SC-05 will swiftly go on the target list as well.

        Dem NC-11

        • Indy1975a May 16, 2017 at 10:37 pm

          It might, but the Ds have no chance there now. SC-05 isn’t a place where there are going to be too many Rs or Is defecting to the Democrat. If the election was in a few months and these scandals blow up, then maybe.

          Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

    • Manhatlibertarian May 16, 2017 at 8:37 pm

      I think recent events are likely to put Ossoff over the top in what is already a close race, but not so sure about Montana. The Dem Quist has his own “legal” problems and a good segment of the population has already voted. A lot depends on how Gianforte navigates through this latest news story. He doesn’t want to fiercely defend Trump and he is more likely to say this matter should be thoroughly investigated before any conclusions are reached. Whether that will be enough to save him we’ll have to see.

    • Manhatlibertarian May 16, 2017 at 8:38 pm

      What polls is Erickson citing?

      • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 8:58 pm

        Internals from the campaigns or Super PACs

        • Manhatlibertarian May 16, 2017 at 9:41 pm

          Latest from Montana SOS as of Monday evening 349,240 absentee ballots have been requested and 190,674 have been returned for the CD special election. To give you perspective about 507,000 voted for Congress in the 2016 election and it is unlikely you are going to get near that number in this race. So a big chunk of the electorate has already voted and ballots received in the next couple of days will probably have been filled out before the latest Comey story. Don’t know what internal polls Erickson is citing for Montana but all recent public opinion polls showed Gianforte ahead. The big question is how Gianforte handles the Comey story and how this will impact poll numbers.

          As for Ga I agree the Comey story puts Ossoff ahead for now.

          • cinyc May 16, 2017 at 10:00 pm

            The polls we’ve gotten on the MT-AL race are crappy. Gravis, Emerson and a handful of Google Surveys, along with a Democratic internal. FWIW, the most recent Google Survey with a very small sample size (not run by me, but someone else on uselectionatlas.org) showed Quist up by 4-7 depending on how you want to weight it. Granted, Google Surveys are crap, but it is what it is. I could see Quist pulling this one out.

            The Google Poll:

            I’m probably going to start another Google Survey some time over the weekend.

    • Indy1975a May 16, 2017 at 9:39 pm

      Well frankly I would vote for Ossoff and Quist if I lived in those states at this point. The only way it seems to me that the GOP leadership in the House and Senate will turn against this President is for it to be clear that not doing so will lose them elections. It is the same message that some rank and file Rs had to send in 1973/1974 (when the Ds won several special elections in formerly safe R districts such as Gerald Ford’s Grand Rapids one) that Nixon was totally unacceptable to them and had to go. The message needs to be equally blunt now, personally I would like to see Mike Pence needs as President as soon as possible.

      Quist in particular is bothersome to me, but I’d vote for him just to send a message.

      Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

  • Tekzilla May 16, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    Ana Navarro‏Verified account @ananavarro 1m1 minute ago
    @SenJohnMcCain at IRI dinner now- “We’ve seen this movie before. It’s reaching Watergate size and scale….This is not good for the country”


    36/M/NY-01 (D)

    • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 8:40 pm

      This actually reassures me coming from the two most obnoxious people in the GOP.

      I still have no regrets supporting Obama over McCain.

      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

      • indocon May 16, 2017 at 9:04 pm

        Anna and Johhny Mac need to get married.

  • MosheM May 16, 2017 at 8:47 pm

    Dana Bash now reporting Congressional Rs debating between supporting independent prosecutor or independent commission. Major development.

    29, M, R, NY-10

  • MosheM May 16, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    NEW: House Oversight chair sends letter to FBI requesting Bureau to provide Comey memo “no later than May 24, 2017.” https://t.co/N4tvhDqa98 https://t.co/sSkgKs6jjw

    29, M, R, NY-10

    • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 8:59 pm

      Well we’ll know by the 24th if Trump will have the second shortest Presidential term in history or not

      • roguemapper May 16, 2017 at 9:06 pm

        Assuming impeachment even gets past the House, who are the 19 GOP Senators that would vote for conviction? I’m not seeing it even if the memo says what the memo allegedly says. You do realize the trumpophants would have a total meltdown, right?

        Dem NC-11

        • fzw May 16, 2017 at 9:07 pm

          Crap, we were thinking the exact same thing

          Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
          R-leaning Indy.

        • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 9:14 pm

          Paul, Cruz, Rubio, Graham, McCain, Sasse, Lee, Flake all privately hate Trump but not all would find it politically smart to vote for impeachment.

          • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 9:28 pm

            After we lose both Congressional races and are down 20 on the generic ballot, I think you’ll see people looking forward to President Pence

          • Wahoowa May 16, 2017 at 10:37 pm

            I don’t think Sasse’s (and, to a lesser extent, Lee’s) dislike is particularly private.


          • Ryan_in_SEPA May 16, 2017 at 11:13 pm

            I would throw in several others including Toomey, Collins, Portman, Hatch, Grassley, and Murkowski.

            31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

      • fzw May 16, 2017 at 9:07 pm

        I seriously doubt 19 Republican Senators would vote to actually remove him. Trump’s not the kind of person to back down to someone threatening him, and he’d personally lead the charge for primaries to anyone who did. He is still incredibly popular with the base, and likely will still be even if there is damning evidence.

        Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
        R-leaning Indy.

        • MikeFL May 16, 2017 at 9:27 pm

          Murkowski, McCain, Flake, Gardner, Rubio, Ernst, Paul, Collins, Sasse, Heller, Portman, Toomey, Graham, Scott, Corker, and Hatch gets you to 16. If Cruz is looking for payback, then he and Lee gets you to 18. Not sure who the 19th would be, maybe Tillis or Blunt? Not saying it’s at all likely, but that’s how I would imagine it if there was a successful vote.

          26 | FL-16/27 | FisCon

          • fzw May 16, 2017 at 9:35 pm

            I actually think it’s more likely that Manchin and Heitkamp would vote no than half of these people voting yes.

            Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
            R-leaning Indy.

            • MikeFL May 16, 2017 at 9:40 pm

              Oh I agree, I’m just laying out the scenario that would be a “tight” vote in favor, which I doubt would happen either way. If impeachment gets to the Senate, it will be a dozen votes short at least, or the evidence will be so strong, the 67-threshold won’t be an issue.

              26 | FL-16/27 | FisCon

              • Indy1975a May 16, 2017 at 10:11 pm

                I don’t think impeachment passes this House unless the evidence is very strong AND the politics suggests that removing Trump is an absolute necessity. And in that scenario, the Senate will convict with many votes to spare. Nixon may have had 5-10 votes in the Senate if there had been a trial in 1974. In the above scenario, opposition to removal may not have many more.

                There won’t be a situation through 2018 that it is a close vote in the Senate.

                Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

                • fzw May 16, 2017 at 10:17 pm

                  Completely different times. Half (more likely more) of Republican voters would think it’s a witch hunt even in the face of hard evidence. Trump would make sure of that. He’s petty enough to where I could see him advocating for his supporters to vote third party if it came to that. That’s why I hve a very hard time seeing the 19 in just about any scenario.

                  Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
                  R-leaning Indy.

                  • TexasR May 16, 2017 at 10:20 pm

                    Yes, and Pravda Fox News will dutifully feed its useful idiots viewers the White House’s version of the story and nothing but the White House’s version of the story.

                    Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
                    Be careful what you wish for

                  • Indy1975a May 16, 2017 at 10:23 pm

                    It doesn’t get a vote in the House without having an overwhelming majority in the Senate. Most likely if it is clear that Trump is guilty and the politics clear, outside groups like the Koch Bros will be offering to fill the coffers of those who vote for impeachment/removal in the face of Trumpster anger.

                    Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

          • indocon May 17, 2017 at 2:24 pm

            good chunk of them will be defeated in primaries, this is not 1974 anymore.

        • Indy1975a May 16, 2017 at 10:04 pm

          If both the evidence (that impeachable and illegal acts have been committed from the top) and the politics (Rs would get crushed in the next election if they don’t remove) are clear, I think the 19 votes will easily show up.

          Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

          • StatenIslandTest May 16, 2017 at 10:05 pm

            Are we getting a little ahead of ourselves here? Yes the optics are bad and he doesnt seem to be countering it well. But theres no hard proof yet.

            31, Jersey City

            • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 10:17 pm

              Its just going to get worse and worse. Comey almost assuredly has more memos, the White House is blundering from mistake to mistake, and its only been a week.

              • kewgardens May 16, 2017 at 10:34 pm

                Who cares how many memos Comey has? I doubt that the Senate will convict based solely on memos written by a self-interested actor with an ax to grind. There has to be other evidence. Not to mention that obstruction of justice, as a legal matter, goes well beyond the allegations contained in the memo. There generally has to be vindicativeness and some form of spoliation of evidence.

                And then there is the question of why Comey waited three months to reveal this information. If he perceived actionable obstruction of justice in mid-February, why didn’t he resign and release the memo then? Why only after he was fired?

                • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 10:41 pm

                  The Senate is going to convict after 6 more months of stuff like this and approval ratings in the gutter. Comey’s word, believe it or not, is worth a lot more than Trump’s, seeing as Trump has already lied about 20 times this week. And you dont need criminal standards of proof for impeachment or senate conviction. Both of those are handled in a political manner. And the politics of Comey’s firing and the constant scandal from the White House leads to guilt.

                  I dont know why Comey didnt reveal this immediately. Maybe he just thought Trump didnt know it was wildly illegal at the time, was going to basically let him off the hook and not deep six his presidency after 3 weeks, and was content to keep it quiet so long as he could continue to run an unimpeded investigation into Flynn and Russia. After the President fired him for completely bullshit reasons and didnt even tell him beforehand, he might have changed his mind on whether Trump is trying to stop an investigation or not.

                  • kewgardens May 16, 2017 at 10:51 pm

                    But, beyond political rhetoric, there is no evidence that Trump has taken any concrete steps to impede any FBI investigation. Indeed, McCabe has stated that the White House has not interfered at all.

                    Now, if evidence emerges to the contrary, all bets are off. But if the only “evidence” of obstruction is the allegations in the Comey memo, we have pretty thin gruel upon which to remove an elected President. (And, the only close-call presidential conviction in US history (Johnson) involved a president who was never elected in his own right.)

                    • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 10:58 pm

                      I’d be very surprised if there wasn’t going to be hard evidence appearing very soon. Congressional Republicans understand it too, which is why they are backpedaling hard right now. This is almost assuredly going to get much much worse. Course we might find out the truth tomorrow morning on Twitter.


            • Indy1975a May 16, 2017 at 10:20 pm

              Which is why I used the word *if*. But in my personal opinion, all the Comey stuff along with the Erick Erickson claim that he knew one of the sources who suggested that the classified information that Trump told Russians was far worse than the media is reporting, it is likely we have an incompetent and/or corrupt person here. But at the very least this needs an independent investigation done entirely outside of the administration.

              Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

  • segmentation_fault May 16, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    John Kasich on CNN: “I told you so” and “this is why I didn’t support him”

  • MaxwellsDemon May 16, 2017 at 10:53 pm

    Very odd from Erickson:

    Clarification on the state of play: GOP still expects to win GA, but they aren’t so sure about Montana right now.


    • cinyc May 16, 2017 at 11:16 pm

      Montana’s special election is next Thursday, May 25, and the mail-in-absentee voting has already begun. The GA-6 special election isn’t until next month. There is more time to make up any lost ground in Georgia than Montana.

  • MosheM May 16, 2017 at 11:09 pm

    .@nikkihaley: “I don’t know what the policy of the admin. is but I believe the Western Wall is part of Israel.” https://t.co/4gRM2EHFGG

    Trumpkins, please explain this s**tshow as a Dem and media plot.

    29, M, R, NY-10

    • Ryan_in_SEPA May 16, 2017 at 11:19 pm

      Trump: “What is the Western Wall? You built my wall along the Mexican border?”

      Someone: “No, it is located in Israel.”

      Trump: “Why do I give a damn about some wall in Israel?”

      Someone: “Your Israeli fans love it and the Palestinians want it.”

      Trump: “Cannot one own it and the other rent it from them?”

      Someone: “????”

      Trump: “I need to move onto ranting about the news on Twitter. I could care less about that Wall.”

      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

    • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 16, 2017 at 11:45 pm

      Nikki Haley should be fired from her post immediately. This is the exact god damn reason why bringing on worthless hacks like her was always a mistake. McMaster declined to make a statement about Israeli sovereignty over East Jerusalem and deferred the question to Trump because most of the foreign policy bureaucracy and pretty much the entire international world does not recognize Israel’s sovereignty over East Jerusalem, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA UNDER BOTH GEORGE BUSH AND BARACK OBAMA. Trump wishes to change that, which is why McMaster deferred to the administration on this (he really couldn’t speak for them on this issue).

      In response to this, Nikki Haley responds by of course, making a cheap shot at Trump so she can self-aggrandize for her political future – so she can go out and just blatantly LIE on the campaign trail about how she “stood up against Trump to defend Israel”.

      It’s not a Dem and media plot. The GOP establishment is actively sabotaging this administration with more gusto than the Democrats ever had so then they can run in the future as “new type of Republican” with recycled crap policies nobody wants.

      It’s also pretty disgusting how the GOP establishment hypocritically screams how that they’re the “adults in the room” and how Trump is a child for having policy disagreements with McMaster, before they then just start making up lies to attack both McMaster and Trump with.

      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • Greyhound May 17, 2017 at 12:02 am

      Sure–Nikki Haley is running for President at some point in the future and has no other goals in her current post other than padding her resume for the spot. This is what, the fifth time she’s just gone completely off-message for no reason whatsoever other than to give herself a sufficiently NeoCon public profile?

      R, 26, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

      • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 12:19 am

        There’s no point in being loyal to Trump since he’ll simply throw you under the bus, humiliate, and fire you anyway based on his mood (See: Sean Spicer for further details or Rod Rosenstein throwing away 50 years of hard won credibility). He’s going to get impeached anyway, might as well begin planned for a future run in a decade after the party implodes.

        Just read Ross Douthet’s latest piece. Everyone who works in that White House hates Trump, and they arent Obama plants or Democrats. They are all his appointees, people that wanted to work for him. And he;s behaved so appallingly in FOUR MONTHS, that they have lost all respect for him. They basically owe him nothing at this point, which is why the cavalcade of leaks is just going to get worse and worse, no matter how much he yells about it.

        • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 12:22 am

          Considering that this entire problem happened because of his intense loyalty towards General Flynn, I’m rather skeptical of that reading of Trump.

          Though of course, this was going to happen eventually anyways. Kind of like the assassination of Franz Ferdinand – it was just the spark that lit a powder keg.

          I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

          • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 12:37 am

            Trump is loyal to Flynn because Flynn has been a long time friend and “believed” in Trump in the early days of his campaign. Of course the only reason he was with Trump was because he had throughly burned all of his other bridges and had no one else to turn to back in 2015-2016. Now Trump is loyal to this clown for those reasons but also because Flynn probably knows where all of the bodies are buried as well.

            I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but one of my friends from college works in the White House as a Junior Staffer. He voted for Trump, defended Trump on our campus throughout last year despite being attacked by 98% of the campus on a daily basis and saw this as his dream job. He’s spent the entire week depressed and exhausted and is looking for a new job after 3 months and he’s not even in the comms shop. The White House is literally toxic, the President running around openly talking about firing half his staffers who are killing themselves covering for his idiocy is aggravating even the most patient ones, and the leaks are just going to keep coming and coming. This Presidency is basically dead, due entirely to self inflicted wounds. I seriously doubt there is any real Russia conspiracy, but the President’s own stupidity is making one.

        • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 12:38 am

          Also, Trump appointees probably didn’t want to work for him. They probably wanted to work for Jeb or Rubio and reluctantly worked for Trump because it’s better than unemployment!

          Of course, they have in the process demonstrated why they are unfit for power. The people coming out of this looking good won’t be the GOP political class that never liked Trump, came scurrying in like roaches once he actually won, and then backstabbed him when they got tired of it all. It’ll be the Rod Rosensteins and Jim Mattis’s of the administration who have demonstrated why they have the respect they have – while the GOP political class demonstrates why they garner the hate that they do.

          I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

          • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 12:45 am

            Rosenstein’s reputation is already in flames and Mattis has only escaped being made into a scapegoat because he;s smart enough not to attend meetings with Trump anymore or give comments with his name on it to anything remotely controversial. No one has backstabbed Trump. There is no grand conspiracy of NeverTrumpers in the White House. Sean Spicer and Reince Preibus are not leaking phone calls to Politico saying, hey Trump has been recording James Comey. He’s done this all to himself.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 12:22 am

        In fairness to Donald Trump, it showed remarkably poor judgment on his part in picking people like Nikki Haley. He figured he could be a successful president by basically pushing through most of the GOP agenda no matter how divisive, letting them handle the details, and declaring victory at the end of the day. He could then be a President like Obama (popular at least on one side of the aisle with some serious “achievements”). The initial success of the Trump/Pence pairing probably convinced him of this, as well as the good relationship with Preibus.

        What he didn’t know was that the GOP was still a den of snakes with no actual agenda besides making him fail because they weren’t going to let the voters get away with rejecting their canon. The lesson from the Trump presidency will be that the GOP is not a rational political actor and thus cannot be co-opted by any external reform movement, so the next guy needs to make sure they’re utterly uprooted, destroyed, and then completely rebuilt anew.

        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • fzw May 17, 2017 at 12:40 am

          Regarding your second paragraph, can you point out to me where exactly the GOP has been stopping Trump at every turn other than Trumpcare 1.0? Him and his team of woefully incompetent appointees are to blame for 90% of the crises that we hear about every day. It’s not like no one was warning that this would happen ad nauseum last year, or even after the election when he started filling his administration with dubious people.

          Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
          R-leaning Indy.

          • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 12:46 am

            Trump has done everything on the executive front he has promised, whether or not people like it. From killing the WOTUS rule to killing the DOL fiduciary rule to unwinding Obama’s power plan to nominating Neil Gorsuch to playing pretty transactional realpolitik with Xi Jinping to getting other judges to the circuits to a really remarkable amount of action ending illegal immigration. And yeah, the whole travel ban thing.

            Trump’s glaring lack of achievements are largely in the LEGISLATIVE field, such as what should be the two biggest issues, healthcare and tax. Because he’s attached to the hip with a worthless political party that is more interested in making press releases and cable news appearances to peddle conspiracy theories about Russia (just like they did about Benghazi) because they never had any intention of actually governing or making any economic reforms.

            The House was a ****ing embarrassment on healthcare and the senate isn’t actually taking it up. They’ve already vetoed any immigration reform package. They pretty much just adopted the Democratic budget because LOL @ Republicans being able to write and pass a budget. The GOP Congress is utterly worthless and functionally equivalent to a Democratic Congress, because both would get nothing done. They’re even passing the same budget!

            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

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