Political Roundup for May 17, 2017

Election Results:  Ralph Norman won the Republican primary runoff in SC-5 by a razor-thin margin, which will lead to a recount. Kay Kirkpatrick won the Georgia SD 32 runoff with a healthy 58% of the vote.   Wendy Brawley won the South Carolina HD 70 Democratic runoff.  Two non-machine candidates won the Democratic nominations in Philadelphia for District Attorney and Controller.  Lawrence Krasner (D-Bold Progressive) and Rebecca Rhyhart (D) will likely be the next District Attorney and Controller respectively.  Bill Peduto (D-Bike Lanes) is on his way to a second term as Mayor of Pittsburgh after winning the Democratic primary easily. Finally, in Los Angeles, councilman Gil Cedillo (D) won re-election and Monica Rodriguez (D) won an open seat.

The news a bit light as President Trump is sucking the oxygen out of our political circus with his growing dumpster.


Governed by a Child:  David Brooks (Scarsdale Republican) articulated what I have been saying for months about Trump in a recent NY Times piece… Trump is not an authoritarian, Nixon, populist or corporatist, but is nothing more than an infant leading the most powerful nation in human history incapable of exercising any form of self-control.  While I think Brooks comes off as a smug elitist at times, he is on point.

Watergate:  Senator John McCain (R-War Hero) is calling the level of “odd behavior” to put it mildly coming from the White House as reaching Watergate levels.  You need 2/3 to convict a president in an impeachment trial.  The Democrats have at least one Republican flirting with the idea.

Comey:  With an alleged memo floating around where former FBI Director James Comey noted that President Trump asked him to stop investigating  former DNI Director Flynn’s love affair with Mother Russia, House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R) is going to subpoena said memo if it exists.

Democrats:  While the current occupants of the White House resemble a burning ship adrift, Democrats with presidential ambitions were dancing around down the street trying to appease potential decisionmakers in the anointing of a new Democratic champion if Hillary Clinton gives up her death grip on the Democratic Party.


Obamacare/Trumpcare/Moderatecare:  A bipartisan group of moderate senators is pushing a proposal to keep Obamacare afloat despite the respective caucus leaders engaging in taunts of the other saying their caucus is united.  It is not clear what the compromise bill will look like or whether it would ever make it to the floor for a vote.

NY-27:  Representative Chris Collins (R) faces an ethics inquiry into investments he made in an Australian biotech firm.  The Office of Congressional Ethics did not comment, but allegedly they are investigating Collins.


UK-Labour:  While the new Rome burns, the Labour Party wants to tax the British people at levels not seen since the time Clement Attlee was Prime Minister.


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  • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 7:19 am

    Trump’s approval rating continues to fall. Politico-Morning Consult, his best pollster, is showing it falling from 46% to 42%.

  • GerGOP May 17, 2017 at 7:36 am

    The entire trifecta has been a major disappointment, except for a few executive things Trump did.
    The Legislative side has been a disaster and Trump … I started out viewing him very favorably, especially after nominating Gorsuch, but PLEASE … this will lead to electoral disasters in 2018 and 2020. He’s not presidential material.
    On the other hand, what good are victories if the GOP doesn’t manage to transform them into actual results?

    • OGGoldy May 17, 2017 at 7:51 am

      Being disappointed by the political process is common. Democrats were befuddled that more didn’t get done in 09-10 when they had full reigns of government, just as Republicans are now.

      • cer May 17, 2017 at 8:06 am

        The GOP still has time to get things done.

        Conservative first, Republican second!

        • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 8:07 am

          Yeah, I’m sure a ton will get done when they cancel their August recess for impeachment hearings

          • cer May 17, 2017 at 8:13 am

            There will probably be no impeachment hearings. This is silly talk based on a half read memo that no one in the press or Congress has actually seen.

            Conservative first, Republican second!

            • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 8:17 am

              Well they are about to see all of them very soon and I doubt Comey decided read half a letter to the NYTimes without a lot more in store. He wants this to be drawn out and hurt Trump, and since he’s about 50x smarter than Trump, it assuredly will.

              • cer May 17, 2017 at 8:23 am

                Actually it was one of his former associates who supposedly read it by the way.

                If I recall Comey has denied that anyone had tried to thwart this investigation under oath. If he is now denying that through a memo that he didn’t share to the committee, than perhaps, he is endangered of accusations that he has committed perjury.

                Conservative first, Republican second!

                • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 8:32 am

                  “Associate.” It’s either Comey or his brother who is talking to the press and it doesnt really matter in any case since everything will be public pretty soon. And Comey has never testified that anyone tried to stop the investigation. That was McCabe, who was talking about the Russia investigation, not the Flynn investigation for starters, and also may not have seen the memos.

              • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 11:14 am

                You also have to consider that if this memo is true, Comey could open himself up to prosecution, because he didn’t pass it on or act on it. It reflects poorly on him.

                SC-03, Conservative Republican

          • Republican Michigander May 17, 2017 at 8:40 am

            Impeachment died back in the 1998 midterms.

            MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

            • OGGoldy May 17, 2017 at 8:57 am

              I don’t think it died. I think impeachment as a way to Target people you disagree with died. But if there is ever a scenario where a president had actually commit high crimes and misdemeanors, he/she would definitely be subject to impeachment. It just isn’t a tool for witch hunt today.

              • HS May 17, 2017 at 9:19 am

                Impeachment did die, because Clinton showed you could beat it, even if you did wrong, by giving excuses “it’s about sex” and “right wingers set me up”.

                All Trump needs to do is start his own campaign. His problem is that I doubt he and his people are competent enough to do so, and unlike Clinton, his party and the media will not echo his arguments “move on.”

                • aas34 May 17, 2017 at 10:34 am

                  Clinton was also termed out, so Dems were concerned with his legacy. And let’s not forget that he was popular throughout that entire ordeal.

                  32, R, CA-2

                  • HS May 17, 2017 at 12:07 pm

                    Ironically, Dems should have agreed to remove Billy Boy, since Al Gore almost assuredly would have won the electoral vote as an incumbent. And no BushChimpHitler.

                • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 11:16 am

                  Well said. Bill Clinton clearly and unambiguously committed perjury and he still wriggled his way out of it. I think people who surmise that the Republican Congress will impeach a Republican president over a he said/he said situation are deluding themselves.

                  SC-03, Conservative Republican

            • andyroo312 May 17, 2017 at 9:39 am

              I don’t see Trump being impeached. More likely, he resigns, fearing that his brand could be irreparably damaged from further scandal.


              • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 9:47 am

                HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH there is no way Trump will ever resign

              • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 9:49 am

                There’s nothing about the Donald’s personality to suggest that he would ever resign under such circumstance. It would be the ultimate admission that his critics were right all along: that he wasn’t good enough, that he’s just a loser from Queens. It would go against everything that has driven him all his life. If he gets impeached he would characterize it as an unfair and unjust conspiracy. Nothing would be more shocking in my view than if he resigns under pressure. To the contrary, the only way I could imagine him resigning is if he was an acclaimed president who just got bored with the job and decided to go out on a high note. That’s obviously not in the cards.

                Dem NC-11

              • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 11:17 am

                If anything, these events will only deepen Trump’s resolve to dig in and weather this storm. He’s no quitter and the last thing he’s going to do is resign.

                SC-03, Conservative Republican

              • cer May 17, 2017 at 11:51 am

                Won’t resign either.

                Conservative first, Republican second!

    • Wahoowa May 17, 2017 at 11:04 am

      The whole raison d’etre of the Trumpists was to destroy the Republican Party as we know it. I for one think they’re doing a bang-up job. Problem is, I don’t think they’re going to be particularly fond of the end result.


  • rdelbov May 17, 2017 at 7:57 am

    I like Norman-I think he will be a very solid congressman as I assume he will hold this seat.

    Thankful for the R senate win in Ga.

    • cer May 17, 2017 at 8:08 am

      Delighted that he won. The Chamber of Commerce took it on the chin last night.

      Conservative first, Republican second!

  • SlippingJimmy May 17, 2017 at 8:17 am

    Excuse me, but what exactly is meant by ‘Scarsdale test’ and ‘Scarsdale Republican’ on this site? I’m new here and a quick Google search didn’t turn up anything useful.

    Republican, TX-22.

    • Ryan_in_SEPA May 17, 2017 at 8:20 am

      I will let RRR give the definition as he coined the term.

      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

    • RRR May 17, 2017 at 9:43 am

      The “Myrtle Beach Test” and “Staten Island Test” were used around here during the primary season to describe places that were, or were expected to be, very Trumpy. Basically, these are spots where Trump was going to significantly exceed Willard Mitt (think Macomb County along with S.I., the Youngstown area, Luzerne and Lackawanna Counties, the Long Island South Shore, and Horry County). They’re generally areas with lots of fiscally moderate populists, often relatively low higher educational attainment rates, and a strain of cultural conservatism.

      Now, the “[pick one of Scarsdale/Bronxville/Chappaqua/Rye/Larchmont/Winnetka/Wilmette/Kenilworth/Glencoe/Short Hills/Greenwich/Westport/New Canaan/Pound Ridge/Darien/Wellesley/Atherton/Hillsborough (Calif.)/Potomac/Great Falls/Buckhead/Lower Merion/Manhattan Beach (CA)/Mercer Island/Whitefish Bay/Highland Park (IL & TX)/River Oaks/West University Place/Fox Chapel, etc.]) Test” describes places that are, well, basically the opposite.

      Scarsdale Test suburbs are areas where Trump bombed compared to Romney and even McCain and are usually characterized as inner-ring suburban and always as highly educated (with extremely high professional degree attainment rates), relatively-to-very affluent, part of the “globalist”/neo-liberal consensus, and culturally highly removed from Middle Americanness in the broadest sense. Most of these areas voted for John Kasich in the primary, or they voted tactically for Cruz (think the Wisconsin North Shore suburbs like Whitefish Bay, Fox Point, etc.), and they’re generally politically competitive and very elastic (Mark Kirk took 49% in Glencoe, IL back in 2008 as McCain only took 26% there, for instance ).

      They’re the land of people like my parents, affluent Republican professionals who both listen to NPR and read the WSJ), the types of folks who were utterly horrified by The Donald. Now, my folks held their noses and voted for him based on Hillary hatred alone, but many of their Romney-voting peers voted for HRC or blanked the top of the ballot due to The Donald’s many fiscally and economically populist stances, his Middle American cultural signaling that turned off those types of folk, and his garishness, arguable boorishness, and, despite his affluence, lack of elite cultural refine and polish.

      Scarsdale, New Castle (Chappaqua), Rye, the Town of Mamaroneck (mostly Larchmont), and Bronxville were the Westchester County municipalities that voted for Kasich in the presidential primaries despite Trump’s clear nomination by the time the NY presidential primaries rolled around. And, whereas McCain and Romney took 31% and 40% in Scarsdale, respectively, Trump only managed 21% there. This pattern repeated itself nationally in the class of suburbs I’ve described.

      Now, of course, these areas weren’t enough to win the election for Hillary. But, 1) They were merely the strongest indicators of educated folks’ disenchantment with Trump. Many well-educated suburbs that aren’t quite as wealthy/”elite” as these areas still trended strongly Dem last cycle, and 2) When those types of folks are turning against Trump, the GOP is going to lose significant amounts of big donor capital. These are generally the Super ZIPs in which the donor class lives, and the GOP donor class largely fits the bill of the types of folks who were quite displeased with Trump.

      PA-02 via IL-09/NY-07; Bronxville Test conservative
      Steve Litzow for Congress!

      • SlippingJimmy May 17, 2017 at 1:54 pm


        Republican, TX-22.

  • Ryan_in_SEPA May 17, 2017 at 8:19 am

    Both parties nominated candidates for statewide appeals courts who were “Not Recommended” by the PA Bar Association.

    PA-Commonwealth Court: Dems nominate some dudette for second spot – http://www.politicspa.com/ceisler-clark-win-dem-commonwealth-court-primary-knock-off-endorsed-candidate/83131/

    PA-Superior Court: Republicans nominate a MDJ (aka Justice of the Peace) http://www.politicspa.com/pa-gop-goes-3-for-4-in-superior-court-primary-murray-beats-patrick/83125/

    Pretty clear that Western PA voters are refusing to vote for non-western PA candidates.

    31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

  • w920us May 17, 2017 at 8:31 am

    I am truly concerned that the crime rate will now start to climb here in Philly as a result of yesterday’s primary. We have elected a guy who basically espouses hatred toward cops.

    One thing the Philly Dem machine was good at was keeping a cap on all the progressive bs seen in other cites. Yesterday has seen that control obliterated.

    R, South Philly, 47, Gay, WFU Alum
    #TrumpVoter #NeverHillary

    • Ryan_in_SEPA May 17, 2017 at 8:36 am

      The Philadelphia Democratic machine has lost control of the situation. Trump is not helping the situation as its emboldening Bold Progressive types while potentially driving a portion of the machine hacks into the Republican fold. A Trump style GOP probably makes Philadelphia a less Democratic and more progressive city at the same time as the Republicans probably improve their margins into the mid-20s to low-30s, but what is left of the Democratic Party is far more liberal.

      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

      • shamlet May 17, 2017 at 8:44 am

        Such a combination is almost perfect to force a restart of the discussion of Northeast independence. The state GOP would probably be wise to support it: The northeast beyond Cottman is ~300K and would probably be GOP-leaning with the way the party coalitions are changing.

        R, MD-7. Process is more important than outcome.

        • Ryan_in_SEPA May 17, 2017 at 9:07 am

          The Republicans should support everything northeast of Cottman (and some areas south) forming its own county.

          Another interesting question is whether to give the Airport and South Philly south of Snyder to Delco.

          31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

          • w920us May 17, 2017 at 10:36 am

            Could we stretch it up to Washington Avenue? Hehe

            R, South Philly, 47, Gay, WFU Alum
            #TrumpVoter #NeverHillary

        • RRR May 17, 2017 at 10:02 am

          And what, exactly, would sustain such a county economically? The Northeast knows that its services, while currently crappy under Philadelphia, would be even crappier as an independent jurisdiction.

          Think of NE Philly as Queens of the 70s or 80s; even if areas beyond Cottman are currently generally white and sometimes Republican-leaning, they’re only going to get more diverse as a whole.

          PA-02 via IL-09/NY-07; Bronxville Test conservative
          Steve Litzow for Congress!

          • Ryan_in_SEPA May 17, 2017 at 10:32 am

            Basically it would be Delco East, which would be sustainable with lower taxes than Philadelphia.

            31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

            • RRR May 17, 2017 at 10:47 am

              No. It’d be DelCo without Radnor, Nether Providence, Upper Providence, Swarthmore, Rose Tree, Newtown Square, Chadds Ford, and the rest of its outer DelCo tax bases… you’d also see middle class flight to areas with better services, especially because a lot of the city’s firefighters/public employees could finally move to Bucks and Montgomery Counties.

              PA-02 via IL-09/NY-07; Bronxville Test conservative
              Steve Litzow for Congress!

              • GOPTarHeel May 17, 2017 at 10:53 am

                I don’t understand your argument. A Northeast Philly based county would certainly have a higher per-capita income than most of the poor rural counties in the T and above the Pennslyvania average household income. It also wouldn’t have the demand for services that come with having large groups of urban poor citizens. Seems like it would be perfectly sustainable. This is like arguing that Staten Island wouldn’t be able to survive on its own without Manhattan-of course it would!

                R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

                • shamlet May 17, 2017 at 11:36 am

                  Yeah. Remember this would be the second or third-largest city in the state (depending on where you drew the boundary), with the region’s second-largest mall, an airport (anchoring a significant industrial area), a major hospital/medical research center, a prison, and a great multi-modal transportation network. On a national scale the best analogy I’d think of is Glendale, AZ – yes, it has some deteriorating parts but overall it does perfectly well.

                  R, MD-7. Process is more important than outcome.

                  • krazen1211 May 17, 2017 at 11:58 am

                    The property values are half as much, and the taxes a quarter as much, as the nearby areas in Huntington Valley.

                    Areas north of Coffman have median incomes of $50-$70k with A poverty rate of 12% or so. A bit lower than places like Bensalem but not much. It would be a huge boon to ditch Philadelphia’s awful tax burden.

                    Call it Dublin County perhaps?

                    • shamlet May 17, 2017 at 12:00 pm

                      I’d advocate for (Thaddeus) Stevens County. It’s a travesty there isn’t a county named for him.

                      R, MD-7. Process is more important than outcome.

                    • Ryan_in_SEPA May 17, 2017 at 12:54 pm

                      I would name it Rendell County to get Fast Eddie to push for it.

                      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

                • RRR May 17, 2017 at 12:54 pm

                  NE Philly maintains much of its middle class status because city employees are forced to live within city limits. It is, therefore, the biggest concentration of public safety workers and other public employees in the Delaware Valley.

                  As soon as those folks can move to Bensalem, etc., they will. Considering the lack of a significant tax base up in the Northeast, the property and county taxes necessary to allow an independent Northeast to compete for public service quality (schools, roads, even trash collection) with nearby middle class suburban municipalities would need to be quite high. And, we haven’t even discussed the expensive necessities of creating a new set of county agencies and bureaucracies…

                  You would see an independent Northeast turn into an inner Delco-like slumburb—and quickly.

                  PA-02 via IL-09/NY-07; Bronxville Test conservative
                  Steve Litzow for Congress!

                  • Republican Michigander May 17, 2017 at 1:06 pm

                    Detroit used to have a residency clause as well. State law passed in 1999 eliminating the clause. When that happened, a large number of the city workers there, left Detroit immediately.

                    My aunt and uncle stayed in one of those neighborhoods until they retired. They couldn’t sell their house and houses on that street now go for 10K. It used to be a stable working-middle class neighborhood.

                    MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

                    • RRR May 17, 2017 at 1:07 pm

                      Copper Canyon!

                      PA-02 via IL-09/NY-07; Bronxville Test conservative
                      Steve Litzow for Congress!

                    • Republican Michigander May 17, 2017 at 1:55 pm

                      “”Copper Canyon!””

                      Yep. I think there was one on the East Side as well. My family were on the one on the west side, Parkland.

                      MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

                  • shamlet May 17, 2017 at 1:09 pm

                    Lack of a significant tax base? You do realize the Northeast has one of the city’s two major industrial areas, as well as plenty of commercial activity in various suburban-style areas? And this is a hypothetical city of 300K – about the size of Pittsburgh for chrissakes. Cops and firefighters do not make up 300K, or even a significant portion of that. (for reference the *entire* Philly police force, not all of whom live in the Northeast, is 6K.) If we were talking about the 19th ward of Chicago, yes you’d have a point. But Northeast Philly is far more than large and diverse enough to survive on its own.

                    R, MD-7. Process is more important than outcome.

                    • RRR May 17, 2017 at 1:13 pm

                      Another consideration: the Northeast past Cottman Ave is very old in age-structure. The middle class white people you’re counting on as a political base are getting older and will soon be on fixed incomes. Most young people moving in are Hispanic and Asian immigrants who will be by and large poorer and also rely on social services like the old will (plus will also be Democrats).
                      It’s also worth noting the Northeast’s industry is shrinking as well; the TEVA pharmaceutical site has been vacant for a while.

                      The Far Northeast on its own would be like your average city in Broward County: retired white people and the downscale, mostly non-white service workers who tend to them. That’s not a strong recipe for your model of Republican success up there.

                      PA-02 via IL-09/NY-07; Bronxville Test conservative
                      Steve Litzow for Congress!

                    • californianintexas May 17, 2017 at 6:04 pm

                      @RRR: As one who used to work for TEVA when they bought up my employer last year, it seems they are consolidating their operations in Salt Lake and possibly Florida. I remember hearing about layoffs in Pennsylvania, New York (Pomona), and California (Irvine, Corona).

                      34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

                • RRR May 17, 2017 at 1:01 pm

                  Actually… now that I think about it, the public employees up that way would be fervently against independence because they’d have to move into regular Philadelphia to keep their jobs if such a movement were to succeed.

                  PA-02 via IL-09/NY-07; Bronxville Test conservative
                  Steve Litzow for Congress!

                  • Ryan_in_SEPA May 17, 2017 at 1:13 pm

                    The state can solve that problem by making “live where you work” laws illegal.

                    31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

                    • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 1:17 pm

                      Wouldn’t that by definition preempt secession if that’s the only reason why the people who would secede don’t just move?

                      Dem NC-11

                    • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 1:30 pm

                      Might I add that I fail to see the wisdom in a state implementing any of the policies that turned Detroit into Detroit.

                      Dem NC-11

                    • GOPTarHeel May 17, 2017 at 1:35 pm

                      Arguably, city residency requirements did help make Detroit into Detroit by reducing the quality of the workforce. They’re frowned upon today.

                      R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

                    • HS May 17, 2017 at 4:02 pm

                      Don’t you argue for those policies nationally? Isn’t that the Dem platform? 😉

                • Ryan_in_SEPA May 17, 2017 at 1:03 pm

                  I don’t get it either. This county would essentially be DelCo minus the Main Line area and Chadds Ford. If you drop those areas arguably DelCo is poorer than Northeast Philly because the worst areas of the Northeast are still not as bad as Chester.

                  31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

                  • StatenIslandTest May 17, 2017 at 3:24 pm

                    Anecdotal but a friends wife is from the great NE. Her block flipped to Trump but crime there is increasing. Two sisters moved to NC, she lives in Bucks, and her parents are moving to NC. So we can see that the NE may long term be trending the wrong way. SI is larger, more isolated and more affluent.

                    31, Jersey City

      • Indy1975a May 17, 2017 at 7:43 pm

        Basically these are your secular white working class. They were Rs nationally in the 1970s and 1980s, when the Ds were associated with policies that were soft on crime, soft on communism, and overly supportive of poor minorities. They moved to the Ds in 1990s until 2014, when the Ds became tougher on crime and welfare, and they saw the Rs as the party of the rich and the religious right (whom the secular white working class doesn’t care for). Trumpism is more attractive to them, and that shift was further pushed by strong dislike of SJWs (who are comparable to your 1960s far left anti-war types).
        Although I don’t think the Rs are going much above 25% in Philly.

        Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

    • w920us May 17, 2017 at 8:45 am

      His supporters last night were literally chanting, “Fuck the police” & “Fuck the FOP”.

      R, South Philly, 47, Gay, WFU Alum
      #TrumpVoter #NeverHillary

    • Indy1975a May 17, 2017 at 7:35 pm

      Part of the problem here was the machine didn’t have one candidate to support. They might have been able to stop Krasner if they had united behind one candidate; I looked at all the news reports and was unable to figure out whom the best candidate who was supposed to stop him was.

      Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

  • MosheM May 17, 2017 at 8:44 am

    BREAKING: Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina collapses during DC race, gets CPR, taken away in ambulance.

    28, M, R, NY-10

    • Mayor Perk May 17, 2017 at 8:47 am

      Just saw. Nothing more yet.

      30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

    • MosheM May 17, 2017 at 8:48 am

      At today’s ACLI race, 3 men saved the life of Senator Thom Tillis of NC #bravery @wusa9 https://t.co/gp56mXRvkz

      Yes, scary situation, he stopped breathing and 3 runners saved him. https://t.co/QuNxN3X2eW

      28, M, R, NY-10

    • MosheM May 17, 2017 at 8:51 am

      Some of the responses to this @AP alert about @ThomTillis collapsing are really unfortunate. https://t.co/6i2onUiDzS https://t.co/aTOXZ05W5z

      28, M, R, NY-10

      • cer May 17, 2017 at 8:55 am

        I’m not surprised by those hateful comments.

        I’m hoping for a speedy recovery!

        Conservative first, Republican second!

      • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 11:22 am

        Some people are just downright ghoulish.

        SC-03, Conservative Republican

      • californianintexas May 17, 2017 at 5:49 pm

        I too wish him a speedy recovery, like I give my condolences to Dan Newhouse after his wife passed away.

        34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

    • OGGoldy May 17, 2017 at 9:00 am

      Here is to a speedy and full recovery by the Senator.

    • MosheM May 17, 2017 at 9:05 am

      Tillis at first appeared unconscious but was revived and breathing when taken away by ambulance


      28, M, R, NY-10

    • MosheM May 17, 2017 at 9:51 am


      I’m doing well. Looking forward to getting back to work. Thanks for all of your prayers and well wishes.

      28, M, R, NY-10

  • Republican Michigander May 17, 2017 at 9:08 am

    “David Brooks (Scarsdale Republican)” – He’s an Obama supporter, not a Bob Dold or Mark Kirk type.

    MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

    • cer May 17, 2017 at 9:25 am

      “David Brooks (Scarsdale Republican)” I would somewhat put David Frum in that category as well…

      Conservative first, Republican second!

      • HS May 17, 2017 at 9:41 am

        I searched for the quote, but couldn’t find it, but a prominent conservative has said he knew Brooks at school, and he was known as a socialist. Of course, that is exactly the type of conservative Republican the Times wants for its pages.

        It’s diversity.

        • RRR May 17, 2017 at 10:25 am

          Well, they could always instead choose Andrew Sullivan.

          PA-02 via IL-09/NY-07; Bronxville Test conservative
          Steve Litzow for Congress!

    • BostonPatriot May 17, 2017 at 12:08 pm

      Which makes him a Scarsdale Republican because Obama carried Scarsdale twice by huge margins.

      I personally do not understand the merits of basing a “test” for Republicanism on a unicorn town (elite WASPy one-percent towns at the level of Scarsdale are a very, very distinct subset of America and there aren’t nearly enough of them for them to ever be at the forefront of either party’s coalition) that routinely elects liberal Democrats up and down the ballot and has done so for going on 30 years now.

      A more useful analysis would be based on a handful of the other towns RRR described above–large, consistently Republican upper-middle class suburban areas like North Fulton, Huntington Beach, North Dallas, etc. The pre-Trump GOP coalition is much more analogous to these places than to Scarsdale, and these voters register much more significantly in both primary and general elections.

      • RRR May 17, 2017 at 12:26 pm

        The Scarsdale Test was merely a humorous way to describe myself as the center-right opposite of a Trump voter while simultaneously constituting an identity for the elite suburbs that drifted away from us in the 1990s. It was never an attempt at claiming that places like Scarsdale are highly important coalition pieces (although I will note that many of the places I named did vote for Mitt).

        I agree with you that the North Fulton, West Houston, North Dallas, Scottsdale, Placer County, Huntington Beach, and Monmouth County tests are far, far more important.

        PA-02 via IL-09/NY-07; Bronxville Test conservative
        Steve Litzow for Congress!

        • StatenIslandTest May 17, 2017 at 3:27 pm

          Monmouth is interesting because so much of it is Staten Islanders. SI restaurants often have a second restaurant in Monmouth.

          31, Jersey City

          • RRR May 17, 2017 at 4:48 pm

            Monmouth is interesting for being quite socioculturally diverse.

            PA-02 via IL-09/NY-07; Bronxville Test conservative
            Steve Litzow for Congress!

      • RRR May 17, 2017 at 12:39 pm

        The closest I’d argue for the importance of a Scarsdale Test would be in CT. That state’s going to be a tough nut to crack because, while Trumpy candidates will play well in newly competitive, white areas east of Bridgeport (other than in the Farmington Valley), the CT GOP can’t win statewide with numbers much worse than Mitt’s in Greenwich, North Stamford, Rowayton, New Canaan, Darien, Westport, Weston, Easton, Wilton, Fairfield, Ridgefield, and Newtown.

        Tom Foley was never a good idea. CT is going to need a Scott Brown (someone who doesn’t scare the Gold Coast while knowing how to speak to middle class Italian, Irish, and Polish Democrats in Meriden, Trumbull, Stratford, Newington, Groton, etc.).

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        Steve Litzow for Congress!

        • Mayor Perk May 17, 2017 at 4:51 pm

          I think CT could swing right for reasons far beyond a Scarsdale test.


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          • RRR May 17, 2017 at 4:54 pm

            …that’s rather reductive.

            What I said is that, while the bulk of the state is actually pretty Trumpy, you really can’t get over the line without a strong Fairfield showing at this point. The numbers just aren’t there yet for the GOP with middle class whites in the rest of the state—but Malloy is sure helping the GOP out there.

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            • Mayor Perk May 17, 2017 at 4:59 pm

              I didn’t see any initial mention of Malloy’s fiscal mismanagement (which I think is the key point in discussing getting over the hump in a CT gubernatorial race). I think Malloy’s unpopularity helps reduce the importance of this test.

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          • californianintexas May 17, 2017 at 5:54 pm

            I’m surprised California is not at the bottom. I guess Jerry Brown and the tax hikes brought a temporary improvement in the state’s rating, and it is probably slightly above CT, IL, and NJ.

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            • indocon May 17, 2017 at 7:21 pm

              Just give it a couple years, California right now looks like TX in early part of Obama years, the oil boom masked over significant structural issues in states finances.

  • segmentation_fault May 17, 2017 at 9:45 am

    This is what I meant when I said Macron’s PM pick would destroy Les Republicains.

    core dumped

  • jocallag May 17, 2017 at 10:04 am

    Just a slight correction in GA SD 32. The Republican Kirkpatrick won with 57 per cent which was below the 60 per cent won by GOP candidates in the first election. If Handel runs that well she would lose narrowly to Ossoff.

    • rdelbov May 17, 2017 at 10:16 am

      Hard to make this analogy work for the following reasons.

      1st there are factors like the relative strength of each candidate in this special that are not the same as the runoff. The losing D candidate had friends, family and neighborhood support that in this area that Ossoff does not have.

      2nd else wise friends -family-neighbors of losing GOP primary foes likely sat on their hands as well in this runoff. There are always disappointments and hurt feelings after a jungle primary.

      Specials are just that -specials. You can’t draw too much from this election as far as any prediction for CD runoff.

  • cer May 17, 2017 at 10:13 am

    This is quite depressing. https://twitter.com/resurgent/status/864843625192202240

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  • krazen1211 May 17, 2017 at 10:18 am

    Democratic party slips among its own voters in Gallup poll. Pew has shown the same.


    • Ryan_in_SEPA May 17, 2017 at 10:51 am

      Basically Trump is a lunatic but the Democratic horde is incapable of controlling themselves.

      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

  • RogueBeaver May 17, 2017 at 11:01 am

    AL-SEN/GOV: Marsh not running for Senate, may run for Guv if Ivey doesn’t. https://twitter.com/lyman_brian/status/864857508619399168

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  • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 11:29 am

    Nice to see the results in Georgia and I trust that bodes well for Karen Handel. Can’t agree with the assessment on President Trump, though. An infant wouldn’t have been nominated as GOP nominee, let alone won the presidency. Think of how many ‘adults’ have sought the presidency and lost. Donald Trump is perhaps the most misunderstood and underestimated political leader of our time. He may be down at the moment, but he has a way of surging back in a manner that no others can. Just look at the 2016 campaign and how many times Dems and Reps declared him finished. He’s not finished yet – not by a long shot.

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    • Tekzilla May 17, 2017 at 11:34 am

      How does a Republican doing worse in the run off than the first run bode well for Karen Handel?

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      • cer May 17, 2017 at 11:54 am

        I don’t think this result means anything for either side.

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    • MikeFL May 17, 2017 at 11:35 am

      I’ll give you underestimated, but not sure how he is “misunderstood.” He may not be finished yet, but things are clearly going downhill right now.

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    • pstchrisp May 17, 2017 at 11:37 am

      It does have the feeling of the Access Hollywood tape time right now. A potential turning-point. He saved himself last time with an acceptable debate performance that kept most Rs on his side when they were wavering. He’s going to need to do something to reassure like he did then.

    • fzw May 17, 2017 at 11:40 am

      I’m struggling to find out what is misunderstood about him. His behavior has been on rinse-recycle-repeat for almost two years now.

      Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
      R-leaning Indy.

      • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 11:53 am

        The only people who misunderstand the Donald are those who imagine mental, strategic, or emotional depth where there is none.

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      • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 11:59 am

        What I mean by misunderstood is that many observers don’t understand why he’s been as successful as he has. For starters, he clicked with a coalition of voters that most commentators and observers either didn’t know existed or thought they were too insignificant to matter. People say that he’s a stooge, a child. But that doesn’t add up when you consider that he’s a billionaire and now President of the United States. Sure, his behavior gets him into trouble, but he always seems to survive when most others would have been swallowed up by it. That’s what I mean by misunderstood and that’s why I believe that this current batch of troubles (way over-hyped by the media, imo) will blow over. In a rather incongruous sense, he’s a bit of a survivor like Bill Clinton was. Nobody should have survived the Lewinsky scandal when he perjured and made a complete fool of himself. Yet he survived because he was willing to take an incredible amount of heat, embarrassment and bad publicity because he knew he would win in the end if he stared down the opposition.

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        • HS May 17, 2017 at 12:17 pm

          That’s a very good point. What both B. Clinton, and Trump (and Obama and Hillary) have is utter shamelessness. When they get caught being stupid or doing wrong, they instinctly react as if they did nothing wrong and their shamers are all at fault. The only difference is Trump is nominally a Republican.

          Earlier Dem Presidents – up to and including Carter – became ashamed when they got caught doing wrong. All earlier Republicans, including Bush II, also acted this way.

          You better get used to this world, though, because it ain’t going back. And those who backed Bill Clinton and Obama are the ones who first broke the social more, and deserve all the credit/blame.

          • Indy1975a May 17, 2017 at 6:14 pm

            Eh don’t know about that. LBJ and Nixon were utterly shameless too, and there are probably a lot of others in history that we don’t think about.

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            • HS May 17, 2017 at 7:02 pm

              People lied all the time in politics. But if you got caught lying you apologized, tried to hide put, or if it was really big, resigned or you got sacked.

              This is exactly what happened to Nixon. And LBJ got caught lying about Vietnam, so he didn’t try to run again. In both cases, Bill Clinton certainly would have toughed it out.

              • Indy1975a May 17, 2017 at 7:25 pm

                LBJ chose not to run again because he knew he would lose, and Nixon quit because he was told that he had less than 10 votes in the Senate against conviction. It wasn’t because they weren’t shameless, it was because they saw the numbers and made a hard headed calculation. If LBJ or Nixon had the hand that Bill Clinton did during his impeachment, they may have toughed it out too.

                Although this may be generational too. Both Clintons and Trump were early wave Boomers, who were among the most pampered kids in history, and that entire generation ended up relatively shameless.

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                • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 7:36 pm

                  Just for the historical record, Nixon was told by Goldwater that he had 16-18 votes in the Senate.

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                • kewgardens May 17, 2017 at 7:39 pm

                  Both Clintons and Trump were early wave Boomers, who were among the most pampered kids in history, and that entire generation ended up relatively shameless.

                  Until the Millennials became even more pampered and even more shameless. 🙂

                  • Tekzilla May 17, 2017 at 7:59 pm

                    I doubt another generation for a long time will be able to get jobs with no experience, Have college extremely affordable, get homes dirt cheap with virtually no money down and have no cost retirement plans amongst many other things. Certainly not Millennials.

                    36/M/NY-01 (D)

                    • BostonPatriot May 17, 2017 at 8:25 pm

                      Let’s not forget that Millennials are also the generation of the increasingly mandatory unpaid internship.

                    • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 9:12 pm

                      True, but a disproportionate amount of millenials are also looking forward to large inheritances that the baby boomera didn’t have. Really, the millenials are probably just the most polarized generation, with large groups of people who have been totally screwed and large groups of people who have been totally spoiled.

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                    • Jon May 17, 2017 at 10:46 pm

                      even for children born relatively late in life (30s) unless there’s a tragic accident in most cases it won’t arrive until the child is nearing retirement, (The current spouse is the direct primary person to inherent and so it’s not just one person who has to pass on.) Boomers and Gen Xers are probably also more likely to remarry following becoming a widow / widower late in life than previous generations.

                      Basically that sort of plan on living is like the marry into money plan.

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                    • ike56 May 18, 2017 at 12:47 am

                      All of that is most certainly true! However, it does not seem to stop so many of today’s youth from feeling as entitled as their Boomer foregoers were.

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                • HS May 17, 2017 at 8:29 pm

                  Clinton would never have given up, regardless of the odds. That is the point.

        • Izengabe May 17, 2017 at 12:20 pm

          Donald Trump has been as successful as he has because he has no shame. Its amazing what people can get away with and how far they can go when they are shameless.

          Of course being shameless is a quality that can get a President of the United States in a lot of trouble. But if you are shameless like Bill Clinton or Donald Trump you can survive it.

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  • dforston May 17, 2017 at 11:40 am

    This ….ummmm….. is a hell of an oppo dump – http://freebeacon.com/politics/decades-old-lawsuit-undermines-rob-quists-account-of-gallbladder-operation/

    • Izengabe May 17, 2017 at 11:44 am

      For future reference learning that a Congressional candidate has genital herpes is not information that I ever would want to know.

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      • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 12:02 pm

        Which makes it all the more interesting to see how the election turns out next Thursday!

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      • Manhatlibertarian May 17, 2017 at 4:01 pm

        Quist just doesn’t seem to get much good press these days; maybe Bernie coming to town to campaign for him will help. Meanwhile Gianforte just loaned his campaign $1 million (he is a wealthy guy).

  • RogueBeaver May 17, 2017 at 11:42 am

    Ireland: Kenny resigning tonight. https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk/status/864868607578255360

    QC/Blue Tory/M

  • jocallag May 17, 2017 at 12:09 pm

    Ossoff is a much stronger candidate than the losing Democrat in the GA state senate race who had far less funds and name recognition. So the fact that the losing Democrat Triebsch polled 43% compared to 40% for all three Democrat candidates in the first election makes me believe the Democrat machine in this mostly GOP part of the GA 6th CD is more reved up for the June 20 runoff than the GOP machine.

    The GOP candidate Kirkpatrick won only 57% compared to 60% for all five GOP candidates in the first state senate election. Handel faces a more difficult task because she has to win the votes of far more GOP candidates (11) who together won only 51% to Ossoff’s 48% in the first election. Handel also carries scars from a bitter runoff for Governor in 2010 which she lost narrowly to Nathan Deal.

    So based on the state senate election turnout alone, Handel is likely to lose narrowly to Ossoff 52-48. Of course I agree other factors could change the present situation. But the present Trump controversies would have to improve some.

    • GoBigRedState May 17, 2017 at 12:24 pm

      Saying that because the GOP candidate in a state senate race that shares some, but certainly not anywhere near all of the same area that GA-6 does(GA-SD-32 does not include Roswell and Alpharetta) got 3 points less than the combined vote of the Republican candidates in the primary. so Karen Handel will get 3 points less than the combined Republican vote in the primary is a HUGE stretch. Two different races with different dynamics in different geographical areas. If the Republicans had lost the state senate race or if the race has been close, then you might be able to make some assumptions about the GA-6 race. But otherwise, I think trying to transfer certain statistics between the two races is absolute nonsense.

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      • jocallag May 17, 2017 at 12:32 pm

        Almost all of the state senate district is in the 6th CD and it is the most Republican part of the district. So it makes me nervous about GOP apathy on June 20th.

        • GoBigRedState May 17, 2017 at 12:44 pm

          You point out that the Democratic machine in the congressional district is more revved up for the congressional election than they were for the state senate election-but isn’t it quite possible that the Republican voters weren’t as fired up for a low-profile race too? I think the one number that would be somewhat telling would be how the total vote for the Republican candidate compared to 2016. Unfortunately, that can’t be done since Judson Hill was unopposed in SD-32 in 2016(and 2010, 2012 and 2014 as well).

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          • WingNightAlone May 17, 2017 at 1:05 pm

            I was unaware of the special and I keep a handle on upcoming *NH House* specials. This one got lost in the shadow of GA06 for many, especially locals, I bet.

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      • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 1:24 pm

        I think it’s clear that GA-6 is going to be close, but I would be more worried if the GOP had just flopped in SD-32. Just like the Dems, the GOP is going nuclear for Handel. I get e-mails almost every day begging me for money (I have contributed) and the e-mails are full of dramatic warnings of how close the race is and how much help is needed. They’re certainly not getting caught flat-footed like they were in Kansas.

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        • rdelbov May 17, 2017 at 1:41 pm

          Judson Hill was unopposed in 2016 elections. One suggest that from a walkover district to 58% is a yuge decline for the Rs. I think that would be a false analogy. GOP clearly not panicking in SD32 and did not put a million dollars into this race. Likewise the Ds did not do that either. I don’t know about the relative strengths of either major candidate in this seat.

          Other then its a plus for the GOP to keep this seat I would not personally draw any conclusions about this race.

          • jocallag May 17, 2017 at 2:15 pm

            According to AJC summary, Democrat Triebsch spent only $10,000 half of it from contributors and still won 43%. She relied on the grassroots energy of the Ossoff campaign and anti-Trump activists. Despite these handicaps she ran better than Hillary Clinton who received 40% to Trump’s 54% in the district.
            “Kirkpatrick, meanwhile, ran a far more traditional campaign that steered clear of Trump and instead focused on issues including the Fair Tax and the repeal and replacement of the federal Affordable Care Act. A recently retired orthopedic surgeon, Kirkpatrick in her practice had worked side-by-side with Tom Price — now Trump’s U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary — and his support network helped her raise more than $300,000.”
            Kirkpatrick failed to get the 60% all GOP candidates got in the first election receiving 57%. She was helped by a low minority turnout in the Fulton county part of the district.

          • jocallag May 17, 2017 at 2:18 pm

            Democrat Triebsch with a terrible ballot name spent only $10,000 to Kirkpatrick’s $300,000. She still received 43% which was better than Hillary Clinton’s 40% in the district.

            • rdelbov May 17, 2017 at 3:06 pm

              I guess Triebsch is a terrible name for a poll. Can you imagine what sort of numbers Isakson would garner in GA if he had a decent name. Ditto for Gingrich. I clearly don’t have numbers but it looks like Triebsch ran close to Michelle Nunn’s numbers for Cobb county. Nothing too amazing. Low turnout special without much spending and she ends up generic D.

              • fzw May 17, 2017 at 3:09 pm

                Michelle Nunn’s countywide numbers… This is the red part of Cobb County. If you extrapolate this result countywide, the D would’ve won Cobb County as a whole.

                Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
                R-leaning Indy.

    • Indy1975a May 17, 2017 at 6:17 pm

      My sense all along was that if the same electorate in the first election shows up, Ossoff is more likely than not to win (as a few of the non-Handel R voters would either vote for Ossoff or not vote). My assumption has been that D turnout will be smaller in the runoff, and hence it is a tossup.

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    • MosheM May 17, 2017 at 2:56 pm

      Is useless in waves. See: DCCC

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      • cer May 17, 2017 at 3:14 pm

        What it does show is the GOP fundraising efforts aren’t as down as you might think.

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  • Jon Henrik Gilhuus May 17, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    Carl Bildt‏ Verified account @carlbildt · 9h9 hours ago:
    Reports of White House been in lockdown after someone tried to climb over the fence. Doesn’t say in which direction.

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    - P.J. O'Rourke

    • Manhatlibertarian May 17, 2017 at 3:57 pm

      Must be Spicer trying to make a break for it (snark).

  • Izengabe May 17, 2017 at 2:01 pm

    Conservative Party of New York has endorsed Nicole Malliotakis for Mayor.

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  • RogueBeaver May 17, 2017 at 2:20 pm

    NM-GOV: Balderas out, will run for reelex. https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/864908386063839233

    QC/Blue Tory/M

  • Izengabe May 17, 2017 at 2:23 pm

    St. Petersburg mayor: A new poll shows former Mayor Rick Baker (R) with a double-digit lead over current Mayor Rick Kriseman (D). Baker 46 percent to 33 percent are with Kriseman. Twenty percent of voters polled said they were unsure. This election is officially non-partisan.

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  • Izengabe May 17, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    KS-Gov: Kansas Democrats will have a primary for governor for the first time in nearly two decades after Josh Svaty announced his candidacy Tuesday.

    Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article150830092.html#storylink=cpy

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  • jocallag May 17, 2017 at 2:32 pm

    Great poll for GOP Lt Gov Lopez-Cantera of IRL seat but it looks like it was influenced by his consultants

    • Izengabe May 17, 2017 at 2:52 pm

      Here’s a thought. What happens if both Rick Scott and Carlos Lopez-Cantera get elected to Congress? Do Congressional terms start before the end of Florida gubernatorial term? If so would AG Pam Bondi take over as Governor for a few days? This is important because on his last day in office Rick Scott could nominate new judicial candidates. If a Democrat gets elected governor whole Scott & CLC go to Congress this could be an issue.

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      • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 2:58 pm

        The FL governor inaugural would be on Jan 8, 2019. Congress takes the oath on Jan 3.

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        • Izengabe May 17, 2017 at 3:06 pm

          So Pam Bondi could be Governor for 5 days?

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          • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 3:15 pm

            Yep, that’s what would happen if both Scott & López-Cantera resign on Jan 3, though alternatively López-Cantera could resign first, Scott could appoint an LG to fill that vacancy, then Scott could resign and the appointed LG would become governor for the remainder of the term.

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            • Izengabe May 17, 2017 at 3:31 pm

              So if Putnam or any Republican wins they could engineer it for him to take office a few days earlier. Could Scott stay on as Governor and be a Senator at the same time? Because who gets to make the judicial appointments is an issue this could be important!

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            • rdelbov May 17, 2017 at 3:36 pm

              I think Scott would hold onto to Governorship until 01/09/2019. Of course if an elected senator found himself unable to be in DC on Jan 3, 2019 technically the President of the senate could declare the senate seat vacant. Could I guess. I believe there has been a senator or two who was unable to take his oath. Of course a vacant senate seat in Florida would be up to Gov Scott to fill up until 01/09/2019 . Huey Long was in a similar situation and managed to take his oath a bit late.

              In the house Gladys Spellman had a stroke and was unable to take her oath of office on 01/03/1981. Her seat was not declared vacant until 02/2/1981.

              I think Scott could slide on 6 days without the seat being declared vacant.

      • pstchrisp May 17, 2017 at 3:32 pm

        He could choose to delay his swearing-in until the term as Governor expires, allowing him to still nominate the SC Justices. I don’t know if it would push him to the back of the Senate Seniority line, but probably not.

      • krazen1211 May 17, 2017 at 4:48 pm

        Eh, I am hard pressed to see a scenario in which Scott wins, CLC wins, and Putnam loses.

        But, isn’t the real work here the Florida Nominating Commission? Scott has been working that hard for years, and my understanding is that even a Dem governor is boxed in here like Jeb was in 1998.

        I do not think Senators can hold any other office. Definitely not any other federal office.

        2: No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.

        • Wahoowa May 17, 2017 at 5:54 pm

          Governor of Florida is not an “Office under the United States.” Some state constitutions have incompatibility clauses that prevent holding both federal and state office. Not sure what the rule is in Florida.


    • MikeFL May 17, 2017 at 3:11 pm

      CLC up 7 with Rubio being -8 in the district, not bad even if it is an internal.

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  • Mayor Perk May 17, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    OH-SoS: State Sen. Frank LaRose (R) formally enters race for Ohio Secretary of State. I think he was supposed to announce this a few weeks ago but was looking at OH-16 as well.


    30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

  • Mayor Perk May 17, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    Trump scheduled to meet with Joe Lieberman to discuss FBI Director job. I actually thought of him a couple of days ago for this but I wouldn’t come out of retirement for this gig.


    30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

    • cer May 17, 2017 at 3:15 pm

      It would be a poor choice.

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      • fzw May 17, 2017 at 3:20 pm

        It’d be one of the best moves he could make. It’s not like Lieberman is his lackey or conversely a partisan Dem.

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        • Manhatlibertarian May 17, 2017 at 4:04 pm

          I just can’t see Lieberman taking the job.

          • Indy1975a May 17, 2017 at 6:08 pm

            Oh yes he would. The guy loves the spotlight, even if it is for a couple years.

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    • andyroo312 May 17, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      It would be an excellent choice.


      • cer May 17, 2017 at 3:59 pm

        They need someone with an FBI background imho.

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    • Indy1975a May 17, 2017 at 6:03 pm

      Not a terrible pick, but if he is seriously being considered it would suggest that the certain R senators have told Trump that someone who would be “loyal” to him rather than the Constitution won’t be confirmed.

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      • TexasR May 17, 2017 at 6:06 pm

        Yeah, and something tells me that no such conversations have taken place given that at least half the caucus is still enamored with him.

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  • Manhatlibertarian May 17, 2017 at 3:22 pm

    Midweek NY Tidbits:

    According to a NY1/Baruch College poll, 56% of New Yorkers approve of Cuomo running for pres in 2020 while 30% do not. However, for Mayor deBlasio it is only 29% approve while 58% do not. Senator Gillibrand has only 24% approving her running for pres, while 43% do not approve.

    As Dem Suffolk DA Tom Spota announced he will not run for re-election this fall, Suffolk County Police Commissioner Timothy Sini announced he will seek the Dem nomination. IMO he is now the front runner for the Dem nomination. Dems will choose their candidate for DA at a May 22 county convention.

    IMO, the NYC Conservative Party endorsing Assemblywoman Nicole Malliotakis for Mayor is not good news for Upper East Side real estate developer Paul Massey. Even if he defeats her for the GOP nomination, his uphill battle against Mayor deBlasio would be even more difficult without the Conservative Party line. His projecting a moderate “Bloomberg” type persona probably didn’t go over that well with Conservative Party leaders.

    all at:


    • Izengabe May 17, 2017 at 3:28 pm

      Both Rudy and Bloomberg were elected Mayor of NYC with the Conservative Party backing a third party challenger. Although their backing on Ron Lauder in 1989 cost Rudy that election to Dinkins.

      As for the NY1 Poll I think that is misleading. For example I would approve of Mayor deBlasio running for President because I approve of anything that gets him out of New York and away from doing damage at City Hall.

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      • Manhatlibertarian May 17, 2017 at 3:38 pm

        Ah but most people polled are likely not as Machiavelian in their political thinking about deBlasio as you.

      • Indy1975a May 17, 2017 at 6:06 pm

        NYC is far more to the left than in 1989 or 2001. DeBlasio has no chance to be defeated if the Rs and the Cs run different candidates. The Cs need to either endorse the R primary winner and if they can’t do that, not put up a candidate.

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        • Izengabe May 18, 2017 at 10:26 am

          Actually not having the Conservative Party nomination was considered a plus. It was a way for Rudy & Bloomberg to show they werent real Republicans and probably helped them win more votes than they lost.

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  • Manhatlibertarian May 17, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced in the period Jan 22-April 29, 41318 illegal immigrants were arrested, an increase of 37.6% from the same time period under the last year of the Obama Administration. Of those arrested on civil immigration charges, 30473 had criminal convictions, a 20% increase over the 25286 with criminal convictions arrested last year in the same time period. This is apparently in response to Trump’s EOs making the arrest of illegal immigrants more of a priority.


  • RogueBeaver May 17, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    Sheriff Clarke to a mid-level DHS post. https://twitter.com/alneuhauser/status/864923728374894594

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    • Tekzilla May 17, 2017 at 4:29 pm

      Yikes, not good at all.

      36/M/NY-01 (D)

    • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 4:37 pm

      There is not a chance in hell he gets confirmed.

    • Boehnerwasright May 17, 2017 at 5:30 pm

      I know some people will cheer this (his new post is not confirmed by DHS) simply because of the outrage it will create on the left. But Clarke is neither qualified nor scandal-free.

      The amount of scandals he would bring to his posts are staggering. From the people who died in his jails under cruel circumstances (one slowly died of thirst), the civil rights lawsuits where he is accused of smearing someone involved in a car accident with one of his sheriff’s. (http://fox6now.com/2014/07/07/fox6-investigation-prompts-a-lawsuit-crash-victim-filing-federal-suit-against-sheriff-clarke-others/)

      This is just a pr-crisis waiting to happen and all that just to feast on liberal tears?

      • TexasR May 17, 2017 at 5:48 pm

        This is the same “logic” by which some people are clamoring for Giuliani to be the FBI Director, so apparently some people are willing to exacerbate the scandal problems just to fan the flames of liberal outrage. It used to be that these people were ignored, but now, of course, they hold some power, so if we’re doing this, we should prepare for Giuliani or some other Trump lapdog who will enrage Democrats to be named FBI Director.

        Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
        Be careful what you wish for

        • GOPTarHeel May 17, 2017 at 6:10 pm

          Rudy Giuliani would not be a good pick for FBI director, but he would at least be qualified for the post due to his experience as a U.S. Attorney. He also does not have the horrendous history of racial remarks and contempt for the First Amendment that Clarke has.

          R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

      • fzw May 17, 2017 at 5:59 pm

        Apparently you missed the memo that we’re winning so long as liberals are outraged.

        Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
        R-leaning Indy.

    • GOPTarHeel May 17, 2017 at 6:10 pm

      DHS is denying that a decision has been made. Clarke may have jumped the gun.

      R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

  • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 4:31 pm

    Just a note to everyone – don’t forget to contribute for the RRH polls. I just sent a contribution through (I’m not a rich man unfortunately so it’s small) but wanted to encourage every member to contribute!

    SC-03, Conservative Republican

    • Son_of_the_South May 17, 2017 at 4:41 pm

      Thanks, man

      23, R, TN-08
      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • MosheM May 17, 2017 at 5:19 pm

    Big MoE so be careful, but in latest Q-Pac poll Trump’s approval rating is just 40% on Staten Island. Was 57% in Feb.

    28, M, R, NY-10

    • fzw May 17, 2017 at 5:30 pm

      Very doubtful. It has DeBlasio doing very well there too, which is not believable at all. I doubt it’s anywhere near 57% though, either, even if you don’t believe in universal swings (I don’t)

      Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
      R-leaning Indy.

    • prsteve11 May 17, 2017 at 5:52 pm

      I’m just plain skeptical of the Q-Poll this year. They seem to find very negative trends for the GOP – far more negative than other pollsters which makes them suspect.

      SC-03, Conservative Republican

      • StatenIslandTest May 17, 2017 at 6:51 pm

        Looks like too R a sample in Brooklyn and too D in SI. Trump was at 29-66 in Bklyn when he lost there 17-79. Though interestingly citywide his approvals are about even with his November vote. Also no way Cuomo is more popular in SI than Brooklyn.

        31, Jersey City

  • MikeMak27 May 17, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    Governor Rauner of Illinois receives $20 million from Billionaire Ken Griffin in his reelection bid.


    IL-7 #PresidentPence

  • cer May 17, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    Now for a incredibly dumb comment from an elected member of Congress. This one goes to Dem Rep. Val Demings (FL).

    She said the following: “Democrat Congresswoman Val Demings (Fla.) told a man commenting on her gun control advocacy that he was wasting his time – because her right to free speech “is different” from his.”


    Conservative first, Republican second!

  • MosheM May 17, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

    How long till Trump fires Rosenstein?

    28, M, R, NY-10

    • MosheM May 17, 2017 at 6:19 pm

      The White House was blinded by the Special Counsel announcement — given only about a 30-minute heads up

      28, M, R, NY-10

    • Boehnerwasright May 17, 2017 at 6:25 pm

      If he fires Rosenstein we should seriously investigate if Trump is possessed by the spirit of Nixon.

    • kewgardens May 17, 2017 at 6:58 pm

      Lowers the stakes regarding the choice for a new FBI Director. Less likely a big name will take the job now.

      • Manhatlibertarian May 17, 2017 at 7:16 pm

        Does this mean that the special counsel effectively takes over the investigation from the FBI or do we have two parallel investigations going on at the same time? If the second scenario is the case I can see a lot of confusion and maybe even some turf wars coming about.

        • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 7:20 pm

          As special counsel Mueller would take command of any FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors who are working any part of the Russia investigation. The CIA and Treasury are coordinating with the FBI investigation but those personnel would remain under separate authority in those departments.

          Dem NC-11

        • kewgardens May 17, 2017 at 7:22 pm

          Special counsel takes over investigation. Special counsel will utilize FBI personnel but can also bring in his own staff.

    • HS May 17, 2017 at 7:13 pm

      So stupid. It will just cause Dems to double down. Wins you no good will from Dems, and let’s down your base. And this scandal is so stupid. (This is separate from the Flynn investigation.)

      Another point – this is the first special counsel for an intelligence investigation (I think). Will Mueller be able to prosecute, or just report?

      • Tekzilla May 17, 2017 at 7:17 pm

        He will be able to press charges.

        And its not like Trump made the decision, Rosenstein did. I don’t think he cares much if it means Dems double down.

        36/M/NY-01 (D)

        • kewgardens May 17, 2017 at 7:29 pm

          IIRC, not against Trump.

      • kewgardens May 17, 2017 at 7:28 pm

        Well, Republicans never miss an opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot. Do you think a Justice Dep’t official in a Hillary Administration would have ever named a special counsel?

        • MaxwellsDemon May 17, 2017 at 7:37 pm

          No, but then again Hillary probably wouldnt have incompetently fired her FBI Director without telling anyone, undermined everyone around her, and gone on tirades on Twitter the entire time forcing her DOJ’s hand.

        • Boehnerwasright May 17, 2017 at 7:54 pm

          If Hillary and her team would be as stupid as Trump that surly could have happened. The list of suspicous actions by Trump and his team is way to long.

          – Hiring Manafort with his russia connections that were public knowledge as that time.
          – Hiring Flynn without serious vetting (lobbying contract wirh turkey, money from RT etc.). Obama warned Trump directly against hiring Flynn as NSA.
          – Ignoring Yates warning and only firing Flynn after him lying to Pence went public. Trump still defended Flynn instead of making a clear break.
          – Trump never speaks ill of Putin or Russia
          – Sessions forgetting about his meeting with the russian ambassador while knowing that everything having to do with Russia would receive special attention
          – Asking the FBI-director if you are under investigations and asking him to stop the investigations into Flynn
          – Firing Comey with conflicting stories
          – Pissing of Rosenberg who is the person who appoints the SC, with trying to make his memo the reason for Comey’s firing.

          Every single point was avoidable and would most likely not been done by HRC.

          • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 7:59 pm

            – Meeting with the same Russians that Flynn and Sessions met with, the day after firing Comey.
            – Giving code-word intelligence to those same Russians, then contradicting his National Security Advisor’s statement.
            – Threatening the FBI Director that he fired with “tapes” of their conversations about said investigations.

            Dem NC-11

            • Boehnerwasright May 17, 2017 at 8:08 pm

              I think it says a lot that i forget about your points. In a normal administration every single points of this would lead to congressional hearings at minimum.

              • TheWizardOf144 May 17, 2017 at 8:12 pm

                Trump supporters abandoning the Republican party in waves on Facebook over this. Holy hell are they mad.

                • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 8:29 pm

                  Even 30% of the GOP leaving means Nancy Pelosi gets more house seats than Theresa May. If the GOP really does take out Trump, I would probably actively work towards that goal of turning the GOP into the Whigs.

                  I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

                  • TheWizardOf144 May 17, 2017 at 8:35 pm

                    If President Trump is impeached, do you really think he gets removed? Oh, the votes might be there but… As delicately as I can say this on this site, I’m seeing an awful lot of will for “Politics by other means”.

                    Yes, America is that much of a tinderbox right now..

                    • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 8:39 pm

                      Sure, because the only people whose will for “politics by other means” matters are the Joint Chiefs of Staff. If anyone else acts on said will it’s just suicide.

                      Dem NC-11

                    • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 8:44 pm

                      American Spring.

                      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

                    • fzw May 17, 2017 at 9:08 pm

                      Contrary to what these people think about the Republican Party’s “betrayal”, the votes are really not there in the Senate for removal. Far too many Republicans sit in overwhelmingly Republican states where too many nuts would go ballistic if he’s removed, even if for example they uncovered evidence that Trump’s was accepting secret payments into an offshore account from the Russian government. Trump would just call it fake news and a witch hunt and a lot of his followers would still believe it. I can count probably a dozen that might vote for removal in that case. Collins, Murkowski, Flake, Sasse, Heller, Portman, McCain, Graham, Gardner, Burr, Paul, Rubio, Toomey, Hatch, and Lee, and even some of those are iffy. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows.

                      Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
                      R-leaning Indy.

                    • Ryan_in_SEPA May 17, 2017 at 9:14 pm

                      Roguemapper is right.

                      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

                    • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 9:22 pm


                      I don’t think so. There are plenty of de facto not illegal possible things we don’t do in politics because of prevailing political norms and what not.

                      We could quite simply dispense of them all. This is basically what the early Republicans did in reaction to Kansas-Nebraska and Dred Scott (which in themselves, Dred Scott especially, were fundamental attacks on democracy)

                      A future where every GOP convention becomes a literally violent brawl seems entirely plausible. The stuff we see at Berkeley is definitely not mainstream, but I could totally see a future where that becomes mainstream. Most people don’t have to go full John Brown to grind the system to a halt. Especially if they’re willing to celebrate the John Brown types when they happen.

                      Plus, the same is already true on the other side. Most Democrats would probably openly celebrate if Trump were assassinated.

                      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

                    • Indy1975a May 17, 2017 at 10:39 pm

                      I suggested that yesterday and deleted it because I felt it was too inflammatory. But since you raised it… I seriously think it is a possibility that Trump will refuse to leave office even if impeached and removed and there could be a short civil war before the military takes control and puts Pence in charge.

                      America isn’t yet that kind of a tinderbox, but it is moving towards one. As an analogy this is closer to 1855 not 1860.

                      Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

                    • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 10:42 pm

                      So you think the Secret Service would commit treason for the Donald, or what? Who exactly do you think would prevent his immediate removal from the White House?

                      Or maybe he would claim to be president in exile? Somehow I have a difficult time imagining Manhattan or Palm Beach rising up in rebellion for the Donald.

                      Dem NC-11

  • segmentation_fault May 17, 2017 at 7:07 pm

    Leaked transcript of GOP leadership phone call: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/read-the-transcript-of-the-conversation-among-gop-leaders-obtained-by-the-post/2437/

    In which Kevin McCarthy says Putin pays Rohrabacher and Trump. He says it jokingly I guess but we all know that’s how he really feels.

    core dumped

  • Greyhound May 17, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    Farron’s LibDems are in a lot of hot water in the UK, as its starting to look like instead of the promised “Fightback”, they’re actually going to slip even more from their 2015 showing. Farron’s Religious Conservatism gaffes and staunch Anti-Brexit stances are blamed:

    R, 26, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

    • kewgardens May 17, 2017 at 7:31 pm

      But I assume that most disenchanted anti-Brexit LibDems will jump to Labour, no? How many are going to waste their vote on the Greens?

      Disenchanted pro-Brexit LibDems (are there really that many?) will go to the Conservatives.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 7:46 pm

        There actually were a reasonable amount. Something like a third of 2015 Lib Dem voters opted for Brexit. Considering that around 2/5ths of Remain voters still think they should go through with Brexit, the Lib Dem position on Brexit is at odds with the majority of its 2015 voters. If anything, the Lib Dems might have the most dramatic voter churn of any party, shedding voters everywhere to gain a lot in London. Which is why so many modelers predict they’ll lose seats – even if they go up in the PV, their vote will be even worse distributed.

        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • Son_of_the_South May 17, 2017 at 8:28 pm

          Hilariously, the only London seat that they actually held onto in 2015, Carshalton and Wallington, actually voted 51.something% Leave. There’s a good chance they’ll lose it, along with North Norfolk (~58% Leave) as well. I assume that they’ll gain some seats as well, but it’s not looking good at the moment for Team Orange. I actually think that the recent small rise for Labour includes a fair number of LibDems.

          23, R, TN-08
          Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

        • Greyhound May 18, 2017 at 4:57 am

          It also doesn’t help that this reeks of sore-loserism. The Hyperbole over Brexit has done irreparable damage to the Remain cause, (especially since the world did not erupt into nuclear war following the vote) and Farron has never really been able to articulate a case other than “But this is setting back the cause of British multiculturalism!”

          R, 26, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

  • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 17, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump’s fundraising is up.


    I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • TheWizardOf144 May 17, 2017 at 9:38 pm

      Yep. My Facebook friends are sharing it like crazy.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy May 18, 2017 at 4:32 am

        I’m not exactly sure how useful of a heuristic Facebook is, because if we’ve learned anything from 2016, it’s that people self-segregate into like-minded social groups. In contrast, I’ve seen a handful of pro-Trump stuff and anti-Trump stuff, but it’s almost completely silent. Which is a big contrast to say, AHCA, where I saw lots of anti-GOP stuff and even had many concerned friends reach out to me about what AHCA would do. The average voter doesn’t care about this and remembers the 2016 election campaign with pain and doesn’t want to think about any of this crap. The average voter probably can’t even find Russia on a map.

        The GOP is of course, going to focus exclusively on this issue while neglectfully embarrassing themselves with regards to every issue (healthcare, taxes, immigration) that people care most about. Every event in 2016 and 2017 revealed the American political class in both parties as a bunch of narcissistic do-nothings who spend their entire time obsessing about esoteric mass-media-driven issues that only weirdos who watch cable news everyday (like all of us!) care about. Pretty much zero chance the Congress will even think about reforming anything. An entire party dedicated to fiddling while Rome burns. If this weren’t true, a real estate tycoon with no political experience would not have been elected president.

        If the entire congressional GOP just banned its members from going on cable news and dedicated themselves full-time to passing non-terrible policy reforms (and just legitimately ignore every random news story), then they’d probably win in 2018. As it stands, they’re going to get thrown out.

        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

  • GOPTarHeel May 17, 2017 at 9:57 pm


    Ahahahahahahaha what a shitshow.

    So glad Trump didn’t nominate Flynn for VP. Nominating him for NSA will probably cost him the presidency now or in 2020.

    R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

    • GOPTarHeel May 17, 2017 at 9:57 pm


      And even more shoes dropping. JFC.

      R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

      • fzw May 17, 2017 at 10:02 pm

        The real question is if Pence knew of it at the time he pulled a Susan Rice.

        Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
        R-leaning Indy.

        • kewgardens May 17, 2017 at 10:16 pm

          Well, the Democratic Party knew that Hillary Clinton was under federal investigation at the time they choose her for president of the United States.

          • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 10:25 pm

            Not that it’s remotely relevant here, but HRC was not under federal investigation when she received the nomination.

            Dem NC-11

            • kewgardens May 18, 2017 at 12:41 am

              When Hillary effectively clinched the nomination she certainly was.

              • roguemapper May 18, 2017 at 1:16 am

                And still not remotely relevant here, but if HRC runs again in 2020 then you should certainly make a point of reminding everyone in the event that it’s somehow been forgotten.

                Dem NC-11

      • roguemapper May 17, 2017 at 10:13 pm

        See, this is why you don’t rudely fire your FBI Director in the middle of an investigation. On another note, I hope that in all this they don’t lose sight of the fact that they need to lock Flynn up.

        Dem NC-11

        • MosheM May 17, 2017 at 10:36 pm

          Yup. Seems like the FBI wasn’t leaking details of the investigation until Comey was fired.

          28, M, R, NY-10

    • Boehnerwasright May 17, 2017 at 10:33 pm

      What a competent (big if) dem in 2020 could do with this scandal alone is brutal. Just imagine this line(of course more polished) repeated again and again: Trump was warned 3 times that Flynn was under investigation and dangerous. Still he hired and defended a man who had access to our biggest secrets and sold them to a foreign goverment. How can we trust your judgment to keep america safe Mr. Trump?

      And it was all avoidable by simply not hiring Flynn among the giant flashing warning signs.

      • fzw May 17, 2017 at 10:39 pm

        Or even in the midterms for the red state Democrats. The “check” argument becomes all that much more powerful.

        Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
        R-leaning Indy.

        • Boehnerwasright May 17, 2017 at 11:52 pm

          Oh god, I totally forgot about the Comey memo. If Comey is telling the truth, that means Trump hired and defend someone who was being payed by turkey while making decisions that might be advantageous to turkey and having access to most of our secret. And even after media leaks forced him to fire Flynn(he still praised Flynn after the firing) he tried to intervene into the FBI’s investigation to protect Flynn.

          Even the facts (if true) are really really bad and problematic but the political attacks could be worse. This might now be THE story not russia or the special prosecutor.

      • AD123 May 18, 2017 at 12:30 am

        At this point, I’m not sure I’d bet against any commonly mentioned D except Hillary and Warren. And even then…

        • Ryan_in_SEPA May 18, 2017 at 5:38 am

          Could he even win a Republican primary?

          31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

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