Shooting at Congressional Baseball Practice

Rep. Steve Scalise and potentially others have been wounded in a shooting at a Republican practice for the congressional baseball game. Our thoughts and prayers are with those injured and our gratitude to the brave officers whose heroism saved many lives today. More as we get it.

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  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 9:06 am

    This is the kind of thing that centrifugal politics gets you. Most partisans keep it peaceful, but a few of the real crazies at the fringes get violent. After the Giffords shooting and the recent Antifa v. Anti-Antifa street fights, no one should be surprised by this. I’m surprised that the Antifa stuff got such light coverage, frankly.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • Ryan_in_SEPA June 14, 2017 at 9:09 am

      The fact there is not a Wikipedia page on modern US “Antifa” speaks wonders to how little coverage it has received. If it was not for a Facebook friend/RRH poster I would know far less about them.


      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

      • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 9:20 am

        There isn’t one, yes, but there are ones on the street fights. Look up ‘Fourth Battle of Berkeley.’ For more info, watch some Sargon of Akkad videos on the subject. Sargon is the opposite of unbiased, but he was several in-depth and very informative videos on the topic.


        23, R, DC-AL
        Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 9:23 am

        Glad to be of service. #KeepAmericaGreat πŸ˜‰

  • OGGoldy June 14, 2017 at 9:09 am

    As a human being, I hope that everyone minus the gunman makes a full recovery. This is a tragedy, and I sincerely hope that the loss of life is kept exclusively to the perpetrator. As human beings, and as Americans, we should be above this level of behavior.

    • Ryan_in_SEPA June 14, 2017 at 9:12 am

      Well said. Regardless of ideological viewpoint, violence is not tolerable in our discourse and those who are even inclined to push it need to be dealt with.


      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

      • OGGoldy June 14, 2017 at 9:17 am

        Thankfully reports show that there aren’t any fatalities outside of the gunman. This makes me sick as when Gifford’s was nearly assassinated a few years back. Though sadly, not all of Laughners victims survived. I hope Scalise’s injury recovers more fully than Gifford’s TBI. This shouldn’t happen in America, or anywhere really.

        • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 9:27 am

          Agreed. This is fucking scary. I live in this city and am tangentially connected to the Republican staffing circles. I’m down near this stadium about once a month or so (if only in an uber). As you say, this shouldn’t happen, but it does. As long as our politics continues to be centrifugal, it will continue.


          23, R, DC-AL
          Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 9:33 am

    @jbarro

    As @AlanMCole notes, Jeff Duncan says the man who asked him about party affiliation was in running clothes, Flake says shooter wore jeans.


    Dem NC-11

    • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 9:35 am

      Fox News says Ron DeSantis was the one who was asked whether they were Republicans or Democrats.


      Conservative, because facts are more important than feelings

    • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 9:37 am

      Good clarification, but probably immaterial. Unless it was someone targeting politicians in general (always possible), I don’t see how he wasn’t targeting Republicans.


      23, R, DC-AL
      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 9:45 am

        I can see how it’s possible but that’s irrelevant. I’m content to wait and find out for sure.


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        • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 9:51 am

          Fair enough.


          23, R, DC-AL
          Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

          • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 9:57 am

            I’ll add this much, law enforcement was very quick to say that they don’t believe this was a “terror act” which strikes me as odd in any case. At the very least it suggests that they already have a good idea of the motive.


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            • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 9:59 am

              Well, I’d classify it as an attempted mass assassination.


              23, R, DC-AL
              Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

              • Left Coast Libertarian June 14, 2017 at 10:15 am

                Some people want to classify any shooting as terrorism because it serves their agenda. Terrorism is to inflict terror/fear. It’s not just about mass killing but to scare people into thinking they’re next.

                • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 10:22 am

                  To be clear, I wasn’t saying anything about how this should be classified. My point was that law enforcement would not rule out terrorism so swiftly without some concrete reason to rule out terrorism. The most likely reason is that they had concrete evidence to indicate that it was something else. Since an “attempted mass assassination” can certainly be an act of terrorism then characterizing it that way isn’t sufficient to rule out terrorism. It was Peter King who said at 7:30am that the Joint Terrorism Task Force did not believe this was an act of terror (and that presumably means either international or domestic since JTTF covers both).


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                • jncca June 14, 2017 at 10:24 am

                  Terrorism has to be against civilians. Otherwise it’s not terrorism, it’s assassinations.


                  24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

            • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 10:41 am

              FBI isn’t ruling out terrorism: https://twitter.com/LDENBERG/status/874999500938649602


              R/NC-4.

              • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 10:45 am

                The FBI official who just answered questions from the press said that they have a pretty good handle on what the circumstances are but that they want to clarify a few things before they announce more. He instantly answered “no” when first asked if this was an “assassination attempt” but then backtracked on followup and said that they’re looking at all angles, etc. So, anyway, I imagine we’ll know for sure soon enough.


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                • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 10:51 am

                  I would guess that the “official” definition of assassinate involves the targeting of a specific individual. I’m trying to think of a context where “assassination” is used in the context of a group of people, but can’t think of one. Wanting to kill Republican congressmen in general vs wanting to kill Steve Scalise specifically may be a difference between assassination or not.


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                  • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 10:55 am

                    Yep, that’s pretty much true. The Washington Post is now reporting that the shooter was one of Bernie’s nutjobs from Illinois.

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/


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                    • Left Coast Libertarian June 14, 2017 at 11:21 am

                      While he is one of Bernie’s nutjobs, Bernie has millions of people who say the same rhetoric who don’t shoot people. I think it’s fine to recognize the shooter’s political ideology but not define Bernie’s nutjobs as a bunch of gunmen. You’re not doing that, of course, but people will. It’d be real nice if Bernie and other progressives came out and said, “Republicans are good people who we disagree with on how to run the country. It is never right to get violent with any Republican.”

                      99.99% of Bernie’s nutjobs hear “Republicans want you all to die” and don’t pick up a gun. Unfortunately, it only takes one.

                    • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 11:27 am

                      OK, I clearly think Republicans are good people who I often disagree with on how to run the country, or I wouldn’t be on this website. It’s never right to get violent with anyone except in justified self-defense, and certainly not with Republican congressmen practicing for a charity baseball game. I not only condemn “politics by other means” but have very little use for anyone who gets a thrill out of the idea.


                      Dem NC-11

                    • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 11:38 am

                      66 years old seems a few standard deviations older than the Bernie Bro average age (in my mind at least)…

                    • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 11:38 am

                      The vast majority on the left are good people who I disagree with politically. Many of my close friends are committed liberals. That said, the left has had an alarming do-si-do with physical violence in political discourse dating back to the GWB years and only escalating under Trump. Portraying the assassination of a President is not art. It’s passive approval of anti-democratic violence. Failing to condemn the violence at Berkeley, Middlebury is tepid approval of it and political cowardice at its worst.


                      30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

                    • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 11:42 am

                      @RDW
                      When I went door-to-door last cycle, I ran into quite a few older BernieBros. They tend to be hardcore union types and downscale whites who are populist but don’t trust right-wingers. The Midwest is full of them. I’m not surprised at all that this guy is from Belleville, IL. That’s exactly the type of place that’s full of this sort of Bernie supporter.


                      23, R, DC-AL
                      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

                    • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 11:46 am

                      The entirety of Leftist ideology is based on violence, using the violence and force of the state to impose political goals on the populace. Going back to Marx, this is how the Left works.

                      The Right doesn’t riot when they don’t get their way. The Right doesn’t use the threat of violence to prevent the free speech of Leftists. There is no equivalence here:

                      To be Leftist is to advocate for violence. In this country, we saw it with the cultural revolution in the 60s, the left wing bombing campaign from leftist groups like the SLA in the 70s, up through the current environment where violence is being used against conservative people and conservative groups on campuses and elsewhere. Just like with radical Islam, we have to name the enemy here. Violence is part and parcel of the left wing ideology. It doesn’t exist without violence.


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                    • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 11:56 am

                      @Upstater22
                      Cool it down.


                      23, R, DC-AL
                      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

                    • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 12:09 pm

                      @SOTS I know quite a few older Bernie supporters but they are more classic liberals like college professors and the like. They aren’t exactly Bernie Bros of course and certainly don’t spew the same type of rhetoric but are true believers in more socialist world views.

                      So yeah he could be a Bernie supporter and fit in but he’s pretty old to be a “Bernie bro” type…

                    • anonuser118 June 14, 2017 at 12:17 pm

                      @RDW I don’t know – in the rural-ish area I live in, the Bernie fans tend to either be aging hippies or the last bits of blue collar union folks. There’s no major university around here though and Bernie had support from a number of different areas so it makes sense he would have a pretty diverse coalition (even if we personally only had access to our own bubbles of his supporters).

                      And @RM
                      The dems here are in the top 1% of those willing to have a discourse with people they disagree with (and people of opposing political viewpoints I’d have a beer with), so it doesn’t surprise me they have the integrity to be disgusted out by this violence. It’s the bottom 20% drek of both parties that leads the race to the bottom. It’s still a shame there’s no dem version of RRH anymore – SSP is sorely missed.

                    • Left Coast Libertarian June 14, 2017 at 12:17 pm

                      And Bernie came out with a clear statement that doesn’t blame right wing rhetoric. He takes as much personal responsibility as anyone should take and tells his supporters to stop it. I don’t like his policies but I’ve always said Bernie is honest and sincere.

                      https://twitter.com/HallieJackson/status/875020127527460864

                    • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 12:26 pm

                      @ANON what I’m trying to make clear is the difference between Bernoe Bro and Sanders supporters of which Bernice Bros are a sub-group. I find there is a wide range in the overall Sanders supporters but Bernie Bros by and large are much younger than the overall Sanders coalition…which i think we’re probably agreeing on in a way.

                    • anonuser118 June 14, 2017 at 12:29 pm

                      @RDW

                      Got you – yeah I agree most of the Bernie supporters I’ve seen are younger or more ideologically liberal 30 somethings. I would say that some of the youngest of those supporters (amongst my friends) are a little more willing to support direct action in extremes than I’m comfortable with.

                    • indocon June 14, 2017 at 12:32 pm

                      One of other Bernie bros in the news recently for violence is that Portland attacker, who the media gleefully has been reporting as card-carrying member of republican party

                    • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 12:37 pm

                      @ANON, don’t be worried…they “support” action in theory but action means hard work and so forth…they barely muster the will to vote every 4 years (certainly not in off-year, mid-terms or special elections) so hard work…nah.

                      I’m about as worried about a true civil uprising as I am about crashing into the sun. The revolution will not be brought about by the youth…which is why a septugenarian became their leader in the first place. There’s millions ready to live tweet the civil upraising though lol…

                    • Republican Michigander June 14, 2017 at 12:55 pm

                      Sonofthesouth – “”They tend to be hardcore union types and downscale whites who are populist but don’t trust right-wingers.””

                      These people are common in the Rust Belt.

                      I know a few people who remind me of this guy’s posts.

                      Very left-populist with the self-righteousness of SJWs combined with the temper of a union boss (often overlaps).


                      MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

                    • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 1:33 pm

                      @Republican Michigander
                      Yeah. I ran into a bunch of them in small town Indiana.


                      23, R, DC-AL
                      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

                    • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 2:11 pm

                      @SOTS

                      My experience is that the most hateful people like this guy are college professors or other academics with some background in “middle America”. IE, these people.

                      http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/09/art-professor-on-gop-they-should-be-lined-up-and-shot/
                      http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/04/12/trump-must-hang-fresno-state-vows-to-review-professors-violent-comments.html

                      Heck, I just logged onto FB to see a friend (a Midwesterner in academia)’s wall basically flooded with angry academic liberals, mostly untenured faculty in humanities, attacking him for deploring the massacre.

                      One positive point for America is that outside of BLM, the part of the left most likely to endorse violence are also physically and mentally incapable of inflicting it. “Surely, America will topple at the feet of our obese history PHDs with bad decision-making and no scientific capability!”


                      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 9:37 am

      Yeah, DeSantis called into Fox News and described the encounter. I don’t think it was Duncan.

      http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/14/scalise-shooting-details-ron-desantis-says-man-asked-whether-republicans-or-dems-field


      30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

      • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 9:39 am

        From what I gather DeSantis and Duncan were together when they were asked. Regardless, this just goes to show that early reports at such scenes are often confused and unreliable.


        Dem NC-11

        • Left Coast Libertarian June 14, 2017 at 10:18 am

          Even later reports are unreliable. I imagine that many people didn’t get a good look at the gunman or only saw him for a few seconds and ran/ducked when the shooting started. In stressful situations people sometimes remember things that aren’t true, often because someone else mentions it. Someone says jeans and that’s what someone might see in their memory. Unfortunately, there were many people there and enough will have the same story.

      • indocon June 14, 2017 at 11:41 am

        Here is the cold hard reality, left hates us lot more than we do them, and they hate us completely with no chance of redemption, all the surveys bear this out.

  • Republican Michigander June 14, 2017 at 9:38 am

    First thing I saw when I got out of the shower and checked facebook was a post by my congressman Mike Bishop. His comment under it was “This is really me. I have not been hacked. Unfortunately this is really happening”. Mike was there, as was one of his office staffers. I’ve known a couple of Mike’s staffers for 15+ years. I’ve known Mike since he ran for AG in 2010. This hits close to home. I’m lucky I didn’t have to go to one or two funerals.

    I’m not saying that to sound important. I’m not. I’m saying that because these are also people with families and not titles and abstracts.


    MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

    • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 9:43 am

      Agreed. I live here. Some of my friends work on the hill. I pass this field on the way to Old Town every once in a while. I’m pretty sure a friend of mine lives near there. DC Republican circles are small worlds. I’m probably no more than one or two degrees removed from someone who was there. It’s fucking scary.


      23, R, DC-AL
      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 9:41 am

    Maybe naming Democratic opposition to Trump the #Resistance and using military analogies constantly and claiming that Congressional Republicans want people to die was a bad look. Just saying.


    R/NC-4.

    • CyHawk June 14, 2017 at 11:49 am

      Exactly. It’s disgusting that they have adopted “Resistance” as a rallying cry — a movement that historically has been associated with an armed conflict against an occupying force, such as the French underground against the Nazis. Of course, many left-wingers, apparently like this shooter, equate Trump, GOP lawmakers as modern day Nazi.

      • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 12:13 pm

        I can assure based on most Bernie Bros’ lack of understanding of how politics work that they have no idea of any political history, be it violent or non-violent. You’re ascribing far too much intelligence, in a negative way, to a bunch of people who are essentially a bunch of political frat boys who think they invented political fraternities.

        • CyHawk June 14, 2017 at 12:18 pm

          I’m not giving any credit at all knowledge of political history. I just think it’s grotesque to adopt the rallying cry “Resistance.” Besides, the 66-year-old shooter is a little old to be described as a frat boy.

          • Ryan_in_SEPA June 14, 2017 at 12:44 pm

            I doubt there are many fratboy Bernie Bros. Frats are not a bastion of people inclined to believe in social justice warriorism.


            31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

            • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 12:50 pm

              Well a lot of BernieBros aren’t SJWs or in support of SJWism in any way. A lot of them supported Sanders because of his calls for free tuition and single payer health care.


              Independent, R until November 2016

              • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 12:54 pm

                Exactly. Sure some of the Bros are all about this but a lot just liked the idea of getting a lot of stuff they wanted by voting and not working much for it…while not giving 2 sh**s about gender pay equality or Wall St regulation or what not.

            • Izengabe June 14, 2017 at 3:59 pm

              @Ryan are you sure? I’m under the impression that college frats look like this today:
              https://youtu.be/ox6X3pgnPlc


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    • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 1:34 pm

      I’d blame the media more than any specific Democratic politician.

      http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/07/kurt-eichenwald-hope-republicans-see-people-die-obamacare-replacement-ahca

      Largely speaking, actual Democratic politicians haven’t called for violence in any sense, though they’ve been perfectly willing to surf on the enthusiasm of their supporters, many in the media, who often hint at it.


      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

  • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 9:42 am

    I’m seeing on Facebook the shooter has been arrested, not killed.

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 9:55 am

    GW Medical says that two of the injured are in critical condition. No word on which ones, except that it’s not Scalise.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 10:05 am

    The anti-gun groups (not random supporters, the groups themselves) are already messaging and pushing for gun control. Shame on you, @Momsdemand head Shannon Watts. Shame.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 10:06 am

      Ms. Watts is considering a run for Congress btw

      • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 10:08 am

        Just saw that. Ugh. It’s Polis’ seat, so let’s hope she loses the primary.


        23, R, DC-AL
        Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • jncca June 14, 2017 at 10:25 am

      When Muslims kill people the president tweets about a Muslim ban right away, but when a gun is used to kill people this is a huge shame?


      24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

      • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 10:30 am

        Did I ever say that I don’t think the President’s tweeting is often terrible and in poor taste? I’m pretty sure I’ve in fact said that it is, and that it’s often inappropriate. I may not have said it here, because we rarely have a dedicated, non-electoral thread for these things, but I”m always talking about how inappropriate and stupid his tweeting can be (even as I support his actions on many things).


        23, R, DC-AL
        Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 10:40 am

        Gun ownership is literally a Constitutional right. (I’ll stop there, mods)

        • jncca June 14, 2017 at 10:52 am

          Sure but the constitution has been changed and is not an inherently good thing (although much of it is quite good).


          24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

      • indocon June 14, 2017 at 12:30 pm

        There’s a constitutional right for American citizens to have guns, there is no constitutional right for non citizen Muslims to come to America. .

  • Republican Michigander June 14, 2017 at 10:10 am

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2017/06/14/congressman-steve-scalise-police-shot-va/102838868/ – Mike Bishop’s interview with Detroit News


    MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 10:49 am

    I wonder if this makes Mo Brooks reconsider his senate run. This kind of thing can really shake you up.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • zbigreddogz June 14, 2017 at 12:43 pm

      If anything, I’d think this would make him more dedicated to running, and a stronger candidate.

      Hate to be that cold blooded about it but…think its true.

  • James June 14, 2017 at 10:50 am

    Scalise was the first MoC I ever met. Kindest soul, great family. We went to the same high school.

    The shooter is a left-wing Bernie Bro
    https://www.facebook.com/james.hodgkinson.568


    Let's Make America Greater

    • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 10:53 am

      Of course he is


      Conservative, because facts are more important than feelings

  • sentinelrules June 14, 2017 at 10:53 am

    Alleged Shooter, James T. Hidgkinson, 66, Belleville, Illinois

    https://www.facebook.com/jthodgkinson

    Moderate member of #TheResistance

    • FiveAngels June 14, 2017 at 11:10 am

      Just like any act of Islamic terrorism, “we will never know the true motivation”, and I’m sure he was “a tortured soul”. See, I can work for WaPo.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 1:36 pm

        Ideology of peace?


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 11:10 am

      Who apparently has two facebook accounts.


      Conservative, because facts are more important than feelings

      • Jon June 14, 2017 at 6:56 pm

        Soon to be had; since he was in violation of facebook’s one account per person rule; they’ll disable one of them and only memorialize one of them.

        And facebook has been caught deleting several of his posts on both of the accounts today by the newsmedia, (compare the wayback machine)


        45, M, MO-02

    • kewgardens June 14, 2017 at 11:18 am

      “Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.” — James T. Hidgkinson

      I guess his ideological motivations are uncertain

    • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 11:19 am

      So unlike the Tucson shooting this guy was actually motivated by hate for the other party. I’m guessing the soul searching about rhetoric the media tried to force on the GOP then won’t be applied to Democrats now.


      R/NC-4.

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 11:05 am

    McCarthy says that Scalise is out of surgery, doing ok.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 11:15 am

    Governor McAwful: “too many guns on the streets.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/virginia-governor-calls-for-fewer-guns-on-the-streets/

    Of course no indication that the guns used today were obtained illegally.


    30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 11:22 am

    Zack Barth, aide to Roger Williams, is identified as the staffer who was shot. He’s at the hospital, doing alright, and posting on social media.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 11:23 am

    More details: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/all-you-could-hear-was-the-bullets/

    Shooter aimed at Rep. Trent Kelly who was on third base at the time but missed. Then hit Scalise in the hip who was on second.


    30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 11:38 am

    President Trump says the shooter is dead.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 11:39 am

      Good.


      30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

      • kewgardens June 14, 2017 at 11:43 am

        Otherwise, the ACLU would have tried to get him off based on “self-defense” or “collective defense”.

      • GerGOP June 14, 2017 at 11:52 am

        Not good. I’d want live footage of him saying that he wanted to target Republicans, if it’s truly politically motivated like it’s seeming atm.

    • Jon June 14, 2017 at 7:01 pm

      I wish someone else had reported his demise first;

      I have visions from Judge Dread (the older version with Stallone, not the remake from a few years back) where the chief judge says “You are in error, Capture Team. No one survived the shuttle wreck. ” whenever it’s the leader of the country that’s first to announce this sort of thing.


      45, M, MO-02

  • kewgardens June 14, 2017 at 11:41 am

    Not just anti-Trump. Anti-Reagan. Longtime anti-GOP activist. Pro-tax. See James demonstrate.
    http://www.bnd.com/?platform=hootsuite

    The #Resistance must be so proud today.

    • GerGOP June 14, 2017 at 11:45 am

      Let’s wait and see a bit here. We all know from mass shootings that early reports are often times false.

      • kewgardens June 14, 2017 at 11:54 am

        What do we have to wait for? That’s him in the picture. And those are his web pages!

        • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 11:54 am

          It was all a setup. The Russians made him do it.


          Conservative, because facts are more important than feelings

        • Izengabe June 14, 2017 at 12:18 pm

          Because the jumping to conclusions is what some on the Left did after Gabby Giffords and it was wrong when they did it and it would be wrong if we did it. A lot of these shooter are severely mentally ill. Gabby Giffords shooter was and so was Ronald Reagan’s. Until we learn more putting a political agenda to this is tacky, wrong and will probably backfire on anyone shameless enough to attempt to benefit off of a horrible attack like this.


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  • CyHawk June 14, 2017 at 11:58 am

    @NickRiccardi Belleville, IL paper says the alleged shooter belonged to a group called “Terminate the Republican Party” http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156065789.html

    • Grant June 14, 2017 at 12:12 pm

      Facebook needs to start banning violent and inflammatory groups. They have a messy history of allowing anti-conservative or anti-Christian groups to exist while banning their anti-left equivalents.


      26, R, OK-5

      • Grant June 14, 2017 at 12:21 pm

        Note: My impression of their history with this is probably biased. I’m sure my liberal friends have the opposite impression of the situation. Either way, they need to up their oversight of groups like this that only serve to fan the flames.


        26, R, OK-5

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    Apparently one of the people shot was Tysons Food lobbyist Matt Mika. He’s injured and may still be in surgery.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • indocon June 14, 2017 at 12:16 pm

    I am glad our side is not holding back and calling this or what it is, inspired by political rhetoric from the other side.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/rodney-davis-baseball-shooting-cnntv/index.html

    BTW, David Frum should be banned form any political debates going forward after his ghastly tweet this moening after the attack, which actually turned out to be mostly wrong.

    • Left Coast Libertarian June 14, 2017 at 12:19 pm

      It is inspired by their political rhetoric and they should tone down the “Republicans are evil and want you to die” rhetoric. But millions of lefties hear that same rhetoric and don’t pick up a gun. If we’re going to blame the rhetoric we should point out that only one in a million(s) picks up a gun.

      • indocon June 14, 2017 at 12:28 pm

        WTF is the housing having this session right now…..”our thoughts and prayers”…”we are one”….blah blah blah.

        Think about this thing, what would happen if this was in reverse? Would Speaker Nancy Pelosi as speaker allow Paul Ryan to come and make a sob speech on the floor right now? Hell no. All Democrats would go on 24/7 media rampage against the Republicans.

        We sure are the STUPID party.

        • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 12:45 pm

          Most of us don’t want to pour gas on the smoldering fire. You obviously do, all I can say is that I pray for you. BTW, the Ds have tried heavily politicizing the situation before, see Clinton in 1995 with the OKC bombing, the Paul Wellstone funeral. It usually backfired on them.


          Independent, R until November 2016

          • indocon June 14, 2017 at 1:14 pm

            Your logic is flawed, Clinton came out of the whole OKC affair way ahead, and won reelection next year. Wellstone funeral probably did not have any effect on the eventual outcome, I believe the race was tied when he died.

            Here we have a golden opportunity to turn the tables on Democrats and the media, and as expected we blow it.

            • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 1:30 pm

              The Wellstone funeral energized Republicans throughout the country. The GOP saw the movement in their internal polling in the final few days of the 2002 elections. In Minnesota, the GOP had its best year in a long time. The Senate seat went from Mondale slightly ahead to Coleman slightly ahead, the Governor race went from Pawlenty maybe with a slight lead to Pawlenty winning big, and the GOP had big wins in the Congressional and state legislature races. The Ds made a big show of politicizing the Wellstone funeral and it backfired big time.

              On Clinton politicizing OKC, he got a lot of media backlash for it, and while it is hard to remember today, he trailed or was even with Rs (except for Pat Buchanan) in the polls throughout 1995. He only bounced back after the government shutdowns.


              Independent, R until November 2016

        • GerGOP June 14, 2017 at 12:50 pm

          Politically, it’s a dumb move. But it’s the correct one, imho.

          • krazen1211 June 14, 2017 at 1:50 pm

            There is plenty of time to go that route once the facts come out about this guy. It’s really not a good idea to crank up the heat like that within hours.

            As an aside, they really need more security around large groups of Congressman. I am surprised about Rand Paul’s comments about Scalia’s getting extra personal security.

    • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 12:32 pm

      What Davis said was completely uncontroversial, he called for an end to hateful political rhetoric. He “held back” pretty considerably compared to others.


      Independent, R until November 2016

    • Republican Michigander June 14, 2017 at 12:51 pm

      David Frum is a f’ing idiot.

      1. Virginia has background checks.
      2. Conceal long guns? Good luck with that, son. Even concealing a full size 1911 .45ACP pistol can be a challenge in the summer.


      MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

      • Ryan_in_SEPA June 14, 2017 at 1:12 pm

        Frum was too left wing for the Conservatives in Canada.


        31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

  • kewgardens June 14, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    The perspective of Markos over at DailyKos:

    https://twitter.com/markos/status/875020015585579008

    Always the ***hole.

    • cer June 14, 2017 at 12:29 pm

      Markos really is a piece of crap.

      That tweet alone is worth a mute or a block imho.


      Conservative first, Republican second!

      • GoBigRedState June 14, 2017 at 12:56 pm

        This is the same person who immediately tried to create a connection between Republican rhetoric and the Gabby Giffords shooting. Now he says Republicans deserve this. What a low-life worthless piece of subhuman crap.


        45, NE-1, #NeverTrump in 2016, support Trump now as situation warrants #RIP27

      • cer June 14, 2017 at 1:39 pm

        By the way, I have just blocked him.


        Conservative first, Republican second!

        • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 1:42 pm

          As someone who doesn’t use Facebook or Twitter all that much, what is the value of blocking someone? Does it just mean that the blocked person can’t respond to you?


          Independent, R until November 2016

          • cer June 14, 2017 at 4:02 pm

            More than that…. I don’t have read any of his crap when someone retweets.


            Conservative first, Republican second!

    • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 12:31 pm

      I’m kind of surprised that since it was a Bernice supporter HA Goodman hasn’t had something dumb to say…but he’s tweeting about something else entirely. You’ll be shocked he’s tweeting every minute about Hillary’s emails…

    • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 12:40 pm

      Disgusting.

      I’ve been considering signing up for an account on DK to comment occasionally on Daily Kos Elections. The election subsite appears to be considerably more partisan than here (and I say that given that I would disagree quite a bit both with the average RRH and DKE contributor), but they do have good information about elections and appear to be minimally tolerant of dissenting views. But the people who run DK are not good people.


      Independent, R until November 2016

      • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 1:23 pm

        You should sign up. I hardly every go over there much because I have to pick one site at a time and I’m currently on here more. But the one thing I’d say DKE has a bit of an advantage on RRH is ad-hoc map drawing adventures by many users so if something like that piques your interest go over there for that fun. I personally don’t know how to use the map-drawing software stuff (nor care to do so) so I don’t get much out of it but just about every day someone post a map of something sporadically (today is Washington’s Congressional districts).

        I would NOT go over there today. There’a bit of lunacy with a couple of users and essentially not a worthwhile read.

        • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 2:34 pm

          I may do that sometime in the future. I doubt I’ll post often, but occasionally there is a comment I would like to respond to.


          Independent, R until November 2016

        • californianintexas June 14, 2017 at 4:05 pm

          I’m on DKE (SoCalGal23) too after joining SSP in late 2007. I learn quite a bit about parts of the country where my knowledge and time spent visiting is deficient (mostly in the North and East) both there and here, and the material I post is mostly objective. My own site also has information liberals, conservatives, and everyone in between may find handy.


          34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

    • CyHawk June 14, 2017 at 1:25 pm

      In a sane society, he would be shunned and condemned by every one of all political stripes. About time GOP candidates tie this piece of human feces to their Demcratic opponents that worship at his stupid Kos alter

    • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 1:47 pm

      I actually wonder – what’s the probability that the shooter actually posted on Daily Kos?


      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

      • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 1:50 pm

        For those that hate Hillary and Trump, DK wouldn’t be pure enough…

  • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    Pray for the victims of this low life thug. And I pray for this country. I have been very fearful about the increase of political violence, but I’m still in shock over this incident. On another note, I think single every member of Congress needs police protection. Without the police protection Scalise had as a member of leadership, who knows how many more would have been killed/injured.


    Independent, R until November 2016

  • cer June 14, 2017 at 12:27 pm

    No one should take anything that Frum says seriously. He is a joke among most conservatives.

    My prayers go out to all the victims involved in this tragedy today.


    Conservative first, Republican second!

    • CyHawk June 14, 2017 at 1:29 pm

      It turned out to be quite a rouge’s gallery of turncoat pretend conservative losers in the George W. Bush White House – Frum, Matthew Dowd, Scott McCullen, Nicolle Wallace

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 1:37 pm

        …and you know, Bush.


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

      • HS June 14, 2017 at 1:39 pm

        Some of them were not really Republicans to begin with, and others are just people susceptible to the elite pressure to trash other Republicans and especially Trump.

        Keep in mind, for all the Dem caterwauling, W was a moderate Republican. As is Trump (in governance). (The two are moderate in different ways, though)

        • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 2:43 pm

          Honestly, I don’t know what “moderate” vs “conservative” is anymore. It seems to me that calling someone a “moderate” is a slam by those who call themselves “conservative” for disagreement on some issues. IMO, GWB was a conservative in some ways and a moderate in others. He was effective on some things, and ineffective on others.


          Independent, R until November 2016

  • GerGOP June 14, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    According to McAuliff, America loses “93 millions” (sic) a day to gun violence. But he later corrected it.

    • californianintexas June 14, 2017 at 4:07 pm

      93 million people? That would wipe out this country in less than 4 days!

      Or if he meant $93 million, that is just as ludicrous.


      34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

  • MosheM June 14, 2017 at 12:52 pm

    Rep. Claudia Tenney’s office says she has received a threatening email sent after shooting. Subject line “One down, 216 to go…”


    28, M, R, NY-10

    • cer June 14, 2017 at 12:57 pm

      wow….. troubling…


      Conservative first, Republican second!

    • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 1:00 pm

      I’m tired of hearing about these death threats to elected officials and those running for office. The police need to put more effort into going after the people who send death threats and put them in jail. There just isn’t enough of a deterrent to sending a death threat when so few of them properly prosecuted.


      Independent, R until November 2016

      • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 1:48 pm

        I mean it’d be virtually impossible and in incredible expenditure to do so. Even in cases amongst non-politician citizens where death threats are made the prosecution and jail time isn’t all that impressive as a deterrent. You’d catch the everyday idiots who write one bad email in a lifetime (and probably have no history of violence) but catching those with significant technological expertise who know how to avoid being tracked would be next to impossible.

        • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 2:32 pm

          Broken windows theory. Get a few of the dumb ones and put them in jail to send a message. It will make it more likely the average person who may consider doing this won’t. And in the long run, it may reduce violent political rhetoric as a whole.


          Independent, R until November 2016

          • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 2:45 pm

            Yes but I don’t believe getting rid of the silly ones reduces the risk…i.e. they never really had any intention of doing anything anyways. So you’re left with those who are the most threatening not being chased because we’re prosecuting some no-priors email-er to no real impact.

            • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 2:49 pm

              One could argue that even silly death threats are an attempt to chill the right to political participation.


              I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

              • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 2:53 pm

                I think one could make that argument but that if there are still a large volume of un-prosecuted people going after the silly ones thus changes nothing. If you don’t get them all then the threat still remains and the volume of threats is probably un-deterred as random threateners are probably dwarfed by serial threateners and technological superior threateners.

              • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 3:00 pm

                Candidates claim to have dropped out due to death threats. Whether that is just an excuse and they were dropping out anyway, I don’t know. But no candidate for office should have to consider dropping out due to violent threats against them.


                Independent, R until November 2016

  • MosheM June 14, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    Back from reading the NYT recommended comments on the article.

    Sane Dems comment there.

    I want to vomit.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/comments/2017/06/14/us/steve-scalise-congress-shot-alexandria-virginia.html

    Perfect example of a “NYT Pick” comment:

    I will never support gun violence for any reason. I am so sorry for all of the victims in this tragedy.

    But at the same time, I wonder if politicians might take a moment to consider that a citizen has exercised his right to use his legally sanctioned firearm to protect himself and his family from people who are intent on causing them great harm. I worry that when the first children begin dying from poisoned water or lack of healthcare, the option to take up arms may start looking like the only alternative for grieving parents.


    28, M, R, NY-10

    • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 1:11 pm

      …what on earth? The left has a real problem here. Many are convinced all Republicans are evil. Once that is achieved, the machinations toward violence are already in motion.


      30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

      • MosheM June 14, 2017 at 1:14 pm

        A freaking NYT editor liked and selected it as a “NYT Pick” comment. There are many more like this. This isn’t kos.


        28, M, R, NY-10

        • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 1:38 pm

          The real takeaway is that there’s very little difference between Kos and most of the media.


          I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

      • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 1:31 pm

        This is how the Left is justifying their violence against conservatives. Conservatives are fascists. Conservatives are racists. Conservatives want to poison your water. Conservatives want to stop you from getting health care. Electing Donald Trump will unleash the forces of bigotry and violence against minorities (a left wing fantasy that has not materialized). Against this evil, violence is justified. They are coming for us.


        Conservative, because facts are more important than feelings

        • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 1:45 pm

          No one’s coming for you, no matter how many times you try to posit there’s a concerted effort to do so. It’s false.

        • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 1:47 pm

          This is your last warning. Cool it or you’ll be suspended.


          23, R, DC-AL
          Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    Active shooter situation at San Francisco Post Office. Multiple injuries reported.


    30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

    • indocon June 14, 2017 at 1:16 pm

      Shooting at a UPS hub that I drive by frequently, witnesses say the shooter was an employee there.

  • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 1:27 pm

    GA-06 implications: Local media tying the shooter to rallying against Karen Handel.

    http://www.11alive.com/news/hodgkinson-penned-rant-against-karen-handel-on-social-media/448920518


    30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

    • cer June 14, 2017 at 1:42 pm

      I will be very blunt….I hope this sort of crap absolutely motivates the GOP moving forward! No FEAR!

      Keep all debate civil to boot.


      Conservative first, Republican second!

    • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 1:49 pm

      Well, I don’t know how fair it would be to tie him to Ossoff. Report on the rant once, sure, but don’t make it a big deal.


      23, R, DC-AL
      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 1:51 pm

        I don’t think the idea is to tie the shooter to Ossoff as much as it is for Handel to stand her ground, not be intimidated, and stay true to her conservative principles, etc.


        30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

        • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 1:57 pm

          Exactly. Any political consultant worth their salt would say it’s more effective for Scalise to show up at a Handel rally than it would be to show an ad tying Ossoff to this guy. Scalise will have top-notch approval ratings in the short term.

          • fzw June 14, 2017 at 2:16 pm

            I would actually recommend against that. Remember how Democrats acted at Paul Wellstone’s funeral? He may have national support behind him, but I don’t think it’d be the kind of popularity that would hold up if he used it in that way


            NY-23 from MO-3. Soon to be RI-1.
            #MADGA (Make a Divided Government Again)

            • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 2:49 pm

              There’s little parallel. Had Paul Wellstone survived an assassination attempt he would have been re-elected and he probably could have helped win some other MN races in 2002. Paul Wellstone died from an accident and a bunch of people showed up at his funeral to try and take advantage of his death. Scalise is (1) alive, (2) a victim of a crime and (3) would be reprensenting himself and not a dead colleague. The race GA-06 race is in a week so who cares if Scalise’s popularity wanes in 6 months time since this race is right now?

              • fzw June 14, 2017 at 2:58 pm

                I really don’t think it’d have much if any boost for Handel. Politicizing an event like this for obvious electoral gain has the potential to backfire, but if Handel’s down anyway, I guess she might as well try it. That’s assuming he’d even be able to do a rally like that at some point in the next six days, which is doubtful


                NY-23 from MO-3. Soon to be RI-1.
                #MADGA (Make a Divided Government Again)

                • rdw72777 June 14, 2017 at 3:02 pm

                  Yes the logistics complicate things for my idea, which is why we’re more likely to see an anti-Ossoff ad than a Scalise Handel rally. Personally my guess is we see almost nothing politics-related to this incident engaged in directly by either campaign. The situation falls under “too soon”…

                  • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 3:15 pm

                    A Scalise/Handel rally would help Handel if things were kept positive. I think any anti-Ossoff ad tying Ossoff to the shooter (unless there really are any ties) wouldn’t really help.
                    An ad repeating the anti-Handel posts of the shooter and saying that Karen Handel is not scared of anyone would probably play better.


                    Independent, R until November 2016

                  • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 3:18 pm

                    I’ll be in-district by Sunday night. If SOTS and a few othera don’t ban me by then, I’ll be happy to share my feel for how things are going (Moshem, I know you love anecdotes πŸ˜‰ )

      • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 1:53 pm

        Are you freaking kidding me? Reverse the party label and Handel would be portrayed as his bff. And btw, Upstate22 is right. They are coming for us.

        • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 1:56 pm

          That doesn’t make it right. Both reactions would be wrong.

          As to your last sentence, I’ll tell you what I told Upstater22; Cool it or you’re suspended


          23, R, DC-AL
          Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • Left Coast Libertarian June 14, 2017 at 2:02 pm

        I wouldn’t want to win by “The shooter hated Karen Handel, so vote for her.” But that’s just me.

  • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 2:05 pm

    I’m interested to see in how the media will try to cover up this incident. They covered up an attack on David Kustoff of TN last month and I’m interested to see how they try to spin this much more serious incident.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447656/david-kustoff-republican-congressman-conservative-road-rage-liberals-democrats-double-standard


    I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 2:10 pm

      I don’t think so. Yeah, they buried the Kustoff incident, but there’s wall-to-wall coverage of this right now. It can’t be ignored. I’m watching CNN and they’re saying over and over again that the shooter was anti-Trump, anti-GOP, pro-Bernie etc. Even MSNBC is taking time off from gun control talk to lambast this guy and mentioning that he was anti-Republican.


      23, R, DC-AL
      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 2:29 pm

        Just overheard on CNN airing a clip of some defender of the guy: “Perhaps he wasn’t evil, he was just tired of politics.”

        I am reminded of that scene in Jurassic Park. The media, the media always finds a way.


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 2:17 pm

    This reminds me of the MLK assassination. James Earl Ray was a volunteer for the Wallace campaign in California, just as this guy volunteered for Bernie. They both even hail from the same part of Illinois. Thank god no one was killed this time. With this and the Giffords shooting, plus the semi-regular race riots and antifa riots, I think I might now understand what the late 60s/early 70s felt like.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 2:23 pm

      The late 60’s thing seemed entirely cultural/political, but there seems to be an economic element in this. So it probably does get worse. Violent political hatred in particular, at least from what I can tell, also seems to sprout among the most untethered, dislocated elements of our society. Especially those that are overeducated. So things like the lack of stable employment and lack of family formation, which America really does lead in, will likely continue to make this grow. (Note that both America’s cohabitation + marriage rate as well as our prime-age labour force participation rate is one of the lowest in the developed world). And we of course, also overeducate like mad. Bang-up job you’ve been doing neoliberalism/globalism!

      I’m also really surprised that no unhinged liberal has tried to go after Neil Gorsuch.


      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

      • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 2:45 pm

        Good points as a whole, and I largely agree with you. Regarding the last sentence, we need to give Supreme Court Justices police protection as well.


        Independent, R until November 2016

        • Grant June 14, 2017 at 3:15 pm

          Aren’t they already protected by the Marshals? Or is that only part time?


          26, R, OK-5

          • FiveAngels June 14, 2017 at 3:33 pm

            Didn’t Breyer get robbed and beaten on Virgin Islands recently? I don’t think Marshals thing is 24/7 365 days.

          • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 4:32 pm

            Justice Souter got mugged in DC in 2004. Justice Breyer was robbed on a vacation in 2012. I’m sure they are protected in their chambers, but I don’t know if they are even for public events.


            Independent, R until November 2016

  • prsteve11 June 14, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    This attack points to the absolute breakdown of civility in US politics. With comedians joking about killing President Trump, it’s clear things have gone too far. A partisan liberal guy just flipped out and the partisan rancor in Washington and on social media doesn’t help one bit.


    SC-03, Conservative Republican

  • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    Dinesh D’Souza today: What do Kathy Griffin and the theatrical Trump assassins in the park say when they see their words translated into actions?

    Good question.


    Conservative, because facts are more important than feelings

    • Izengabe June 14, 2017 at 4:09 pm

      Come on! The park play is Shakespeare. Updating Shakespearean plays to be set in modern times is a thing. Other companies did the same thing with Obama like character cast as Caesar and no one cared.


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      • prsteve11 June 14, 2017 at 5:21 pm

        Unfortunately, it’s clear that people are evolving from being just being partisan and mad to actually flipping out and talking about or participating in violence/murder. Under these circumstances, I don’t think it’s wise to put ideas in people’s minds.


        SC-03, Conservative Republican

        • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 5:26 pm

          Devolving might be more accurate.

          • indocon June 14, 2017 at 5:39 pm

            And problem is on other side here folks. They hate us a hell of lot more than we hate them.

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    The hospital is now saying that Scabies’s condition is critical.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • edtorres04 June 14, 2017 at 2:55 pm

      Scalise?

      • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 2:57 pm

        Yes, sorry. Autocorrect is cruel mistress.


        23, R, DC-AL
        Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

        • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 2:58 pm

          How often do you use “Scabies”? πŸ˜›


          Conservative, because facts are more important than feelings

          • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 3:00 pm

            Not at all, unless Autocorrect corrects to it.


            23, R, DC-AL
            Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

        • edtorres04 June 14, 2017 at 2:59 pm

          What changed? He was good to go after surgery

          • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 3:01 pm

            No one seems to know. Perhaps there were complications from surgery.


            23, R, DC-AL
            Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

          • edtorres04 June 14, 2017 at 3:02 pm

            Prior to surgery, he spoke to his wife via phone

            • edtorres04 June 14, 2017 at 3:03 pm

              His own twitter says he “remains in critical condition”

              • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 3:07 pm

                His twitter hasn’t been updated in 5 hours. The hospital tweeted out he’s in critical condition about a half hour ago.


                30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

                • edtorres04 June 14, 2017 at 3:10 pm

                  His twitter account retweeted it. You are incorrect

  • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 2:43 pm

    Barry Loudermilk: β€œThis is exactly why there is a lot of fear of even doing town halls at this point. Some of the things this guy is posting on Facebook β€” we get the same things, and even worse.”


    Conservative, because facts are more important than feelings

    • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 2:49 pm

      Police protection for Congresspeople and metal detectors for town halls should solve that problem.


      Independent, R until November 2016

      • Izengabe June 14, 2017 at 4:14 pm

        God I hope it doesnt come to this. Putting up security barriers to our elected officials would be a real blow to democracy. I remember running into Rep. Bill Green on the subway all the time as a kid, and seeing Carolyn Maloney shopping at the healthfood store and Rep. Nadler at the movies at Lincoln Center and Charlie Rangel on the street coming out of the Thalia theater. To turn interactions with our elected into airport security would be tragic.


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        • Indy1975a June 14, 2017 at 4:38 pm

          Unfortunately they already have IMO. Just like other tragic events like the assassinations and attempted ones of the 1960s/1970s or 9/11 resulted in (mostly) necessary security measures, I think this unfortunate event (and you can add in the shooting of Rep. Giffords too) demands that we protect our elected officials, at least at the federal level. I think metal detectors for town halls may be needed.

          We’d like to go back to the days where Harry Truman could walk his dog in downtown DC or a Presidential candidate can campaign without a security detail, but it’s simply too dangerous. There are too many people who wish them harm and are capable of acting on it.


          Independent, R until November 2016

        • Ryan_in_SEPA June 14, 2017 at 4:54 pm

          I remember seeing Jim Gerlach at Target several years ago!

          At this point, Capitol Police / Secret Service needs to be posted to every member of Congress while in the DC area, but State Police/Highway Patrol need to cover outside the DC area.


          31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

  • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    https://news.grabien.com/story-left-wing-twitter-celebrates-shooting-rep-scalise


    I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • TennesseeMike June 14, 2017 at 3:39 pm

      These people are truly evil. They don’t care how their views triumph, just so they do.


      TN-2 District. A Social and Fiscal Conservative Republican

      • Ryan_in_SEPA June 14, 2017 at 4:33 pm

        I really wish someone would put together a list of tools like this so I can scan against job applicants. I suspect there would be a yuge market for such a list.


        31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

        • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 5:05 pm

          Maybe among small businesses owned by Republicans, but not any of the big global corporations that are almost all the businesses still growing in America. They’d probably love to add these people onto their rosters. Diversity!


          I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

          • Ryan_in_SEPA June 14, 2017 at 7:01 pm

            Most people view these people as unemployable as they lack the basic practical skills to even hold down a real corporate job. I think most people in hiring realize that being a political activist rarely leads to private sector success.


            31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

  • RogueBeaver June 14, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    Scalise’s family is heading to DC. https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/875077139275681792


    MTL/Blue Tory/M

  • Mayor Perk June 14, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    Minnesota Rep. Eric (sic) Paulsen is Scalise’s roommate in Washington, D.C. He spoke with MPR News after visiting the congressman in the hospital.

    “I actually just returned from the hospital a few moments ago, and I think he had just completed his second surgery,” Paulsen said. “He was unconscious and in the ICU, and it’s possible he may have to go in for an additional surgery. So I think some of the injuries could be a little more extensive than initially reported.”

    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/14/house-majority-whip-steve-scalise-shot-congressional-baseball-practice


    30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

  • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 4:41 pm

    Why is it that after Gianforte hurts a reporter, we have to have a national conversation about GOP rhetoric, when Giffords is shot by a crazy person completely unconnected from conservatives Paul Krugman accuses the right of being inherently violent, but after a literal left wing activist shoots up a baseball field full of congressmen no media sources or otherwise prominent people, including Republicans, are blaming Democratic rhetoric? It’s beyond belief. Zero consistency.


    R/NC-4.

    • dforston June 14, 2017 at 4:54 pm

      It doesn’t matter.

      • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 4:59 pm

        Either it matters or it doesn’t. And the people who told me for years that political rhetoric mattered even when there was no causal link between the right and a shooter do not get to tell me that it doesn’t matter at all now that a liberal nutjob tried to assassinate the Congressional Republican Party.


        R/NC-4.

    • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 5:41 pm

      To be fair, most sources are repeatedly pointing out that he was targeting Republicans and that he was a Bernie supporter.


      23, R, DC-AL
      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • prsteve11 June 14, 2017 at 5:57 pm

        I know – even CNN is reporting that which I found almost surprising.


        SC-03, Conservative Republican

        • cer June 14, 2017 at 5:59 pm

          Perhaps, CNN is finally realizing that they have to be truthful on this one.


          Conservative first, Republican second!

      • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 7:05 pm

        That makes the lack of ‘national conversation’ worse! Republicans have to answer for random ill people. Democrats don’t have to answer for their own activist. Which is fine if that’s the same standard that applied to Republicans but somehow I doubt it.


        R/NC-4.

    • TennesseeMike June 14, 2017 at 5:47 pm

      This article, from the wife of a congressman, is blaming Democratic rhetoric. Very justly IMO.


      TN-2 District. A Social and Fiscal Conservative Republican

    • Izengabe June 14, 2017 at 8:58 pm

      Because “rhetoric” is not to blame for a lunatic misinterpreting things and going on a killing spree. The Left was wrong to politicize it and the GOP would be just as wrong to do the same. JD Salinger’s Catcher in the Rye isn’t responsible for John Lennon getting shot and political rhetoric (which is as American as Apple Pie) didnt cause this outrage today. Should our political discourse be more civil? Sure! But to say it must be more civil or else lunatics will murder innocent people is utter madness. Two wrongs dont make a right. The Right should not follow the Left’s lead on this because it is A) Wrong and B) Politically stupid and if the GOP tries it it will backfire on them (See Paul Wellstone’s funeral and the 2004 Madrid bombing).


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      • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 9:34 pm

        Fine. I want the people advancing the civility trope during the Gifford shooting to reverse course then. They won’t of course and will hold Paul Ryan directly responsible for whatever nutjob does something.


        R/NC-4.

        • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 9:39 pm

          Correct. We lose because we take the high road. We nominated a brawler who doesn’t…and we won.

          • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 9:42 pm

            For better or worse, I fully expect Trump to say something in the next 24 hours that lacks the subtlety most of us are accustomed to hearing from politicians.


            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

            • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 9:46 pm

              I have a bit more faith in the God Emperor πŸ˜‰ Shadilay Covfefe, brother.

          • Izengabe June 14, 2017 at 10:00 pm

            Yes the GOP lost really badly in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2010 & 2014 before we finally decided to treat politics like a reality TV show. Hopefully now thanks to our new crudeness we can finally win the House, Senate, some governorships and maybe even a majority of legislative seats which the GOP hasn’t had for all these years…..
            https://youtu.be/L_mrNQBLSMU


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  • prsteve11 June 14, 2017 at 5:28 pm

    One of the horrible things about all this is that it takes something tragic like this to get the media to actually report newsworthy news rather than the latest hyperbole about the phantom Russia ‘collusion’ story. It’s not just that the whole Russia story thing is biased, it’s also extremely lazy journalism as reporters don’t bother to find interesting, pertinent stories to report on.


    SC-03, Conservative Republican

    • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 5:47 pm

      I’ve watched a number of my liberal acquaintances go off the deep end in social media during the past couple of years and they have invariably been swept up in fake news conspiracy theories, most notably the “pizzagate” delusions peddled by the Russians, Michael Flynn Jr, etc. This sort of violent political chaos is exactly what Putin wants to see in the US. The two are not disconnected which is why I have a smh reaction every time this whole issue gets dismissed by the right.

      I’ll also add that I’m personally well-aware of the left’s capacity for violence. The fringe on both sides is equally capable of violence. The black helicopter brigades on the right are hardly a new phenomenon. I’m well-aware of how some fantasize about militias and preppers remaking America when the shtf. The point that I’m getting at is that it’s a dangerous exercise in self-delusion to attribute the capacity for political violence to one side but not the other. That is how you get from here to running street battles between redshirts and brownshirts. If that’s what people want to see in America then by all means keep pushing the Civil War rhetoric. If things devolve to that point however what you’re more likely to get in my view is the sort of generalized chaos that marked the downfall of the Weimar Republic or the initial stages of the French and Russian revolutions.

      That said, the number one thing we have going for us is that there are no US political leaders promoting violent uprisings. If that changes all bets are off. That’s why it’s so dangerous when political leaders even flirt with that sort of rhetoric. And I’ll just leave this at that.


      Dem NC-11

      • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 6:31 pm

        The running street battles are already happening in Berkeley and Sacramento. No one is shooting during them yet, but they’re happening. And yes, both sides are susceptible. It’s limited to crazies right now, and hopefully it stays that way. However; each new conflict hardens hearts and causes more and more people to pick sides and be tribal


        23, R, DC-AL
        Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

        • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 6:37 pm

          Another showdown is shaping up for Gettysburg on July 1st. Militia and Antifa reportedly planning on converging there.

          • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 6:42 pm

            Goddammit


            23, R, DC-AL
            Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

          • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 6:45 pm

            The next struggle after taking down the local Confederate memorials will be attacking federal Civil War sites, such as the memorials at Gettysburg and Monticello (which the Charlottesville City Council wants gone, but really has no way of legally removing). We’re going to probably have to station federal troops at all of these locations in a few years to protect them from violent liberals going all Taliban on them.


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            • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 6:50 pm

              We’re making 1861 Great Again.

              • jncca June 14, 2017 at 9:46 pm

                1861 was never great. It was one of the worst years in US history.


                24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

                • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 9:51 pm

                  Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe this quote applies here.

                  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk


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                  • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 9:52 pm

                    Penny for the smart man.

                    • jncca June 15, 2017 at 1:09 am

                      Sorry I’m usually better about that!


                      24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

        • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 6:48 pm

          It’s a cycle of violence and it’s nothing particularly novel in and of itself. The true danger comes when (a) political violence is only condemned when “the other side” engages in it; and (b) political violence by “your side” is legitimized or rationalized. You cannot halt a cycle of violence by focusing on one side of it. That just amplifies it by making the other side feel justified to respond in kind. Ultimately, they that sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind. The most dangerous people of all are the ones who are confident their side will “win” if it comes to that.


          Dem NC-11

          • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 6:53 pm

            Well, of course. The current problem is that while most from both sides DO condemn things like this, there are enough from each side who don’t and can find each other over the internet that it keeps going.


            23, R, DC-AL
            Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

            • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 6:57 pm

              SOTS,

              I’ll be in VA on the 22nd. Let me know if you’d like to grab lunch/dinner or something. Ryan can give you my Facebook (I’m at the 5k friend limit but, you’ll have my real ID).

          • Izengabe June 14, 2017 at 9:23 pm

            I agree with Roguemapper here. The “other side” nonsense is a road to ruin.

            I also think there will always be mentally ill people and lunatics. Which is why it is important to recognize violence by crazy people as actions by people off their meds and violence by an organized political movement (like ISIS terrorist) as something that is entirely more dangerous.

            No one on the left or right in American politics is calling for political violence. Yes rhetoric can be over the top but no serious person wants anyone to literally get hurt or killed. If they do they should be run out of office and shunned.


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      • Left Coast Libertarian June 14, 2017 at 6:59 pm

        The black helicopter brigades on the right believe the government is going to come after them in their house. They aren’t attacking the government. Even when they do go bat #$#$ crazy, like at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, there was no shooting. People on the right can discuss guns and maybe that makes them less likely to use them. If you’re on the left, you aren’t going to talk about guns because everyone you talk to wants you to get rid of it.

        • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 7:03 pm

          There’s a missing federal building in OKC that testifies it can go much further than that.


          Dem NC-11

  • cer June 14, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    Ummm not 100% accurate roguemapper.

    https://twitter.com/ScottPresler/status/874971705999069184/photo/1

    Senator Kaine might live to regret those words.


    Conservative first, Republican second!

  • Upstater22 June 14, 2017 at 6:12 pm

    Seems like police averted a terrorist attack here in the Binghamton area after arresting Ramadan Abdullah for shoplifting ammo from Gander Mountain. You have to show ID to purchase ammo – stealing it keeps you off the radar.

    Officials said that Abdullah was arrested by Johnson City police on May 31 for shoplifting ammunition from Gander Mountain. According to the Broome County District Attorney’s Office, when a search warrant was executed on Abdullah’s storage unit in the town of Union, the following items were recovered:

    – Four loaded handguns
    – Eight assault weapons
    – 64 high-capacity ammunition feeding devices
    – One loaded shotgun
    – Two rifles

    – Thousands of rounds of ammunition for rifles, pistols and assault weapons, including .50 caliber armor piercing incendiary rounds, numerous firearm parts and flak jackets.

    According to the DA’s office, search warrants were also executed at additional properties tied to Abdullah, resulting in the seizure of:

    – Numerous rounds of .38 caliber ammunition
    – High-capacity ammunition feeding devices and ammunition
    – An additional loaded firearm


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  • Jon June 14, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    One of my coworkers is embarrassed that the shooter lived about one mile from where he does; but not as much as the Bernie supporters in the office.


    45, M, MO-02

  • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    There is now reportedly a “security incident” at Travis Air Force base.http://www.cbsnews.com/news/travis-air-force-base-real-world-security-incident/

    • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 8:38 pm

      False alarm, fortunately.

  • MosheM June 14, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    https://twitter.com/BenBradleyTV/status/875075315525144576

    A reporter from our sister station in St. Louis interviewed James Hodgkinson at an Occupy Wall Street event in 2011. #congressionalshooting https://t.co/n3dEcF7dK2


    28, M, R, NY-10

  • MosheM June 14, 2017 at 8:32 pm

    Chemtrails Kelli.

    https://twitter.com/Timodc/status/875125319211958272


    28, M, R, NY-10

    • Izengabe June 14, 2017 at 9:09 pm

      Kelli Ward is a disgrace. Using an email about Scalise getting shot to attack Jeff Flake who was there trying to help him is just beyond the pale. Her only excuse for this is that this email was some sort of computer driven bot thing based on today’s latest headlines. If she or some human being approved it they should be fired and she should apologize. Disgraceful.


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    • Republican Michigander June 14, 2017 at 9:27 pm

      I got the same email. Now I know why McCain won easily.


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  • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 8:39 pm

    Tucker Carlson saying Congressman Scalise is in “grave condition”.

    • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 8:44 pm

      When he came out of surgery and they said his condition was critical, I was worried about it being on the wrong trajectory. Going in I thought he might even avoid a wheelchair. Now I’m not so optimistic.


      23, R, DC-AL
      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • californianintexas June 14, 2017 at 11:40 pm

      πŸ™


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  • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 8:51 pm

    POTUS reportedly visiting hospital where Congressman Scalise is being treated.

  • cer June 14, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    He will definitely need another surgery.

    https://twitter.com/thauserkstp/status/875079321685295106


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  • GoBigRedState June 14, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    This is the latest update from the hospital posted at 8:15 ET:

    Congressman Steve Scalise sustained a single rifle shot to the left hip. The bullet travelled across his pelvis, fracturing bones, injuring internal organs, and causing severe bleeding. He was transported in shock to MedStar Washington Hospital Center, a Level I Trauma Center. He underwent immediate surgery, and an additional procedure to stop bleeding. He has received multiple units of blood transfusion. His condition is critical, and he will require additional operations. We will provide periodic updates.


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  • cer June 14, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    Thanks for the update.

    This sounds worse by the minute.


    Conservative first, Republican second!

  • Manhatlibertarian June 14, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    Well at lunch at a restaurant today in Manhattan I heard a guy at the next table say to his companion, “Well Scalise probably got $50.000-$60,000 in contributions from the gun lobby.” The implication of course is that he opposed more strict gun control, pandering to the NRA, and now the “chickens are coming home to roost”. Watch this incident get turned into a need to push for more gun control by left politicians and their MSM allies; I think someone posted a statement from Gov. McAwful above pushing that concept. Of course I don’t know at this point whether he got his weapons legally or not and what kind of background check he went through if he did get the weapons legally. It’s the same line with the terrorist incidents in Cal and Fla; if we had better gun control these incidents wouldn’t happen. But I have my doubts that mentally unbalanced people or fanatical terrorists are going to be stopped by more strict gun control.

    • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 14, 2017 at 9:59 pm

      Went on a college student friend’s FB page to see some other student posting odd screeds about how shooting Scalise is a laudable act because of “consequentialist ethics” (btw that’s not what consequentialism means) because AHCA and opposing gun control are forms of genocide. I’m not sure the ranter knew the other guy was a Republican.

      I think at this point, they are really only playing to the choir. These events don’t shift public opinion on gun control. Nothing like the Brady Bill.


      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 10:03 pm

      He got the weapon legally and had a state permit in Illinois.

      As to the gun control stuff, there was an initial wave of anti-gun people and Salon-type publications putting out articles on it (along with McAwful). Then everything seemed to stop. I think they saw how the mainstream publications and channels were covering it and decided to hold their horses for a bit.


      23, R, DC-AL
      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 10:09 pm

        The most recent reports I can find simply say that the ATF is running a trace on the two weapons. So, unless I’m missing something, the provenance of the guns is still unconfirmed.


        Dem NC-11

        • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 10:18 pm

          Well, there’s a local police report from Belleville on March 24th. Hodgkinson was firing a rifle into the woods. The police report stated that he had a permit for the weapon. Officers therefore let him keep the weapon and told him to go shoot it at a range or out in the middle of nowhere because he was firing it too close to other residents. There’s no guarantee that it’s the same rife, but it’s highly likely that that’s the case. I have no clue about the handgun.


          23, R, DC-AL
          Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

          • roguemapper June 14, 2017 at 10:26 pm

            He had an FOID card. Unless there’s something very odd about Illinois FOID cards that wouldn’t tell the local police anything about the provenance of a given firearm.


            Dem NC-11

            • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 10:32 pm

              Well, sure, but why would he have bought another rifle, especially considering that this is an older model?


              23, R, DC-AL
              Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • Jon June 14, 2017 at 11:03 pm

        Getting state permits in IL is actually pretty tough; but given his age, he might have gotten them decades ago.


        45, M, MO-02

    • GerGOP June 14, 2017 at 10:04 pm

      German Media are already ahead of the curve: they allude to, but dont really make clear that the shooter specifically targeted gopers and are almost gleeful that this will lead zo a renewed push for gun Control because this one Hit close to home.
      This will be a Standard line for American Media, too, before long.

      • TheWizardOf144 June 14, 2017 at 10:05 pm

        Won’t work. It was a 50+ year old rifle (Norinco SKS) and the victims are all pro gun.

  • cer June 14, 2017 at 10:05 pm

    Gun control is the left’s dog whistle after everyone of these shootings. I’m very use to this by now, and equally sick of it.


    Conservative first, Republican second!

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 10:08 pm

    Officer Griner is supposedly doing alright. I can’t find anything on Mika’s condition.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • cer June 14, 2017 at 10:10 pm

      Mika’s condition has been rather under-reported so far. Hope he pulls through OK.


      Conservative first, Republican second!

    • Republican Michigander June 15, 2017 at 10:23 am

      Last I heard from some friends of his, Mika is in critical condition.


      MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

  • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    The NYT literally blames Republicans and Sarah Palin for Giffords shooting in TODAYS editorial page: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/opinion/steve-scalise-congress-shot-alexandria-virginia.html?referer=https://t.co/TyGFopPt6m


    R/NC-4.

    • GoBigRedState June 14, 2017 at 10:36 pm

      “the link to political incitement was clear”. Except for the fact that Jared Loughner expressed no coherent political views and certainly none of any right-leaning persuasion. If, IF he had been a fan of Sarah Palin, you could make that connection. But there is not a shred of evidence he was.


      45, NE-1, #NeverTrump in 2016, support Trump now as situation warrants #RIP27

      • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 10:42 pm

        They are lying. These are lies. In service of a political agenda.


        R/NC-4.

        • Ryan_in_SEPA June 14, 2017 at 11:31 pm

          I think it’s time for the Republicans as a whole starting with elected officials, but including staffers and candidates, to outright ignore the major networks and media in general. Strip them of press credentials and refuse to take questions from them.


          31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian

          • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 11:34 pm

            Or just freaking fight back. Their wimpiness is literally why we got Trump.


            R/NC-4.

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    Watching the CNN and MSNBC coverage, it’s already shifting. During the day it was mostly on the shooting. When prime time started, it was 50% shooting and 50% Mueller investigation. It’s now about 70% Mueller investigation.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • GerGOP June 14, 2017 at 10:59 pm

      Very convenient, is it not?

      • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 11:01 pm

        Very


        23, R, DC-AL
        Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • renreb1 June 14, 2017 at 10:53 pm

    What a nightmare today’s incident was. We know the staffer who was shot in the leg and got a call early this morning from a parent of that staffer ahead of the Media blitz. We are also both former House staffers so the incident hit close to home.

    I really hope that this incident will help reduce the use of severed Presidential heads and other intensely violent words and images by hard core partisans.
    Those words and images didn’t cause this shooting but it’s long past time when all partisans condemned the use of such tactics by their own compatriots and shunned those on their own side who persist in this way.

    • MosheM June 14, 2017 at 11:03 pm

      Thanks for your insight.


      28, M, R, NY-10

  • MosheM June 14, 2017 at 10:53 pm

    https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/875175471482380288


    28, M, R, NY-10

    • GOPTarHeel June 14, 2017 at 11:51 pm

      That’s a pool reporters eff up not the WH


      R/NC-4.

  • kev-inVA10 June 14, 2017 at 11:33 pm

    Tbh I felt like it was only a matter of time before something like this would happen.

    Even though our own words and actions were sometimes very heated during the Clinton and Obama years the left in this country has escalated things to whole new level with their rhetoric and putting it in “militant” terms as someone mentioned above is making it alot worse.

    Many of the hardcore leftist types I’m friends with on Facebook are trying to justify this guys actions and have called for violence before as “necessary in the fight against Fascism and Nazism” (I doubt anyone of them know what these things really are).

    Here on the ground in Virginia the Democrats were supposed to hold a “unity rally” at my alma mater George Mason University this morning but canceled it after news of the shooting 20 minutes down the road broke. While a similar GOP statewide tour that would hit Richmond, Fairfax, VA Beach, Roanoke, and Bristol was prematurely ended in Fairfax. Campaigning by either side probably won’t resume until this weekend at least.

  • Son_of_the_South June 14, 2017 at 11:36 pm

    BTW, shout out to Sarah Silverman. She’s usually obnoxious, and it would have been enough if she’d stayed silent, but she tweeted out a get well message to Scalise and Mika. Good on her.


    23, R, DC-AL
    Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • GerGOP June 15, 2017 at 12:37 am

      Setting the bar low, are we?

      • Son_of_the_South June 15, 2017 at 12:52 am

        I’m trying to be charitable and grateful. I work in this profession. I regularly walk around doing politics in the field. Some of my associates already carry when going door to door and at events. I’m considering doing the same in the future. This centrifugal politics thing scares me. I knocked on over 4,000 doors last year and talked to thousands of voters. I’ll likely knock on at least tens of thousands more in my life. All it takes is one asshole. As it is, I’ve been bitten and we almost had to shoot a dog on two different occasions. If things carry on the way they’re going, I could easily be assaulted on the job. I’ll take what I can get when it comes to civility and understanding these days, even if it’s from comediennes who are normally politically obnoxious.


        23, R, DC-AL
        Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

        • GerGOP June 15, 2017 at 1:07 am

          I hope I don’t come of as a giant intensive jerk, because I definitely want you to be safe, it’s only a point of curiosity for me: are you allowed to carry with your eyesight?
          Please dont take this the wrong way.

          • Son_of_the_South June 15, 2017 at 1:45 am

            That’s a fair question. I think I’ve mentioned this on here before, but yes, I am, at least in most states. It really depends, though. Some places (such as DC) have minimum eyesight requirements. The DC line for a CCW is 20/200. That’s my exact eyesight, so there’s always been a question as to whether or not I can get one here (but it’s on a freaking lottery system anyway and you can’t take it on the Metro). Many states only require that you pass a class to the satisfaction of the teacher. I had gun safety and basic shooting in the Boy Scouts (plus years of shooting targets at my grandmother’s in GA), and multiple rangemasters have said they could get me up to proficiency. Some states would likely block me. NJ and NYC are still (illegally) ‘may issue’ areas, so there’s no freaking way I’m getting one there. Something like ten states (and growing) have permitless concealed carry (and a few more for state residents only). In those states I could just buy the gun and walk around with it, no problem. So the answer is yes in ten states, probably in most others, and probably not in a few more. Unfortunately, that last group includes my place of residence (but not where I do most of my field work).


            23, R, DC-AL
            Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 15, 2017 at 2:02 am

    Facebook is fascinating, because you can sort comments by the # of likes. Attached is a list of the top-liked comments on one of the largest liberal groups on Facebook (6.5 million likes) on an article about the shooting.

    http://i.imgur.com/UImH3J2.jpg


    I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • Son_of_the_South June 15, 2017 at 2:18 am

      Oh, come on. That’s Occupy Democrats.


      23, R, DC-AL
      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 15, 2017 at 2:51 am

        Yes, which is the largest political group on Facebook.

        https://blog.crowdtangle.com/most-influential-progressive-facebook-pages-of-the-year-fe5c14692ae0


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy June 15, 2017 at 2:56 am

        To put it in context, they have about 6.5 million followers. Sanders has about 7.5 million. Clinton has about 10 million, garnered mostly during the presidential election.


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • roguemapper June 15, 2017 at 3:23 am

          Obama has 52.5 million followers but of course he had 8 years as President to rack them up. The Donald has 23.5 million followers though I’m guessing about half of those are spambots. The Donald has an 84% approval rating from spambots!


          Dem NC-11

      • w920us June 15, 2017 at 7:57 am

        OccupyDemocrats is becoming Democrats. That is our present or very near future. Nothing makes me think otherwise.


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        #TrumpVoter #NeverHillary

        • cer June 15, 2017 at 10:03 am

          Until mainstream Dems start to condemn those occupy folks, they will continue to grow in their influence within their party.


          Conservative first, Republican second!

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