Weekend Open Thread for October 6-8, 2017

Happy Columbus Day Weekend. Here are the weekend questions:

1. Do you believe the Columbus statue in New York will ultimately get removed before the end of the DeBlasio administration? What will the political consequences (or lack thereof) be from the decision to remove or not remove?

2. What is your pick for the all time worst Congressional sex scandal?

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  • Izengabe October 6, 2017 at 11:56 pm

    Answer to #2 is Anthony Weiner. I dont think that is even debatable.

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    • VastBlightKingConspiracy October 7, 2017 at 12:00 am

      Mark Foley is in a distant 2nd place.

      2016 would be an amazing documentary in a generation. I look forward to the day when high schoolers in US history have “Carlos Danger” on a key terms study sheet.

      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

      • Izengabe October 7, 2017 at 12:04 am

        Is it any worse than them studying 1998 when knowing fellatio is not sex could be on their test.

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        • Left Coast Libertarian October 7, 2017 at 10:01 am

          Interesting the first three, (Weiner, Foley, and Clinton) didn’t actually involve copulation. Yet they are sex scandals. Hastert is the worst morally and legally, but his crimes were from before he was in congress and discovered after he left. Republicans suffered no consequences. So it hardly seems to be a Congressional sex scandal.

          Weiner’s sex scandal had the most impact on a Presidential election, although Kennedy’s sex scandal may have also. Foley’s sex scandal had the most impact on a congressional election.

          So it really depends on how you define worst.

    • segmentation_fault October 7, 2017 at 2:40 am

      Weiner’s sex problems ultimately gave us Trump, so yes, I agree. But also I’m glad he flamed out before he was able to become Mayor or God forbid something more important.

      En Marche!

  • Republican Michigander October 7, 2017 at 12:03 am

    1. Yes and as for political consequences, not much. The big reason is that a large number of the old school Italians (discounting secular Hipster types) are no longer in NYC compared to even 1990. Staten Island is the exception, but can’t carry the day. The hipster types hate him. Blacks and Puerto Ricans will mostly vote D anyway one way or the other.

    2. In Congress, Anthony Weiner. Outside of Congress, Dennis Hastert.

    MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

  • Lucas Black October 7, 2017 at 1:14 am

    1. Probably. There won’t be any direct price in NYC but it will show people that leftists have no intention of stopping tearing down statues of people they don’t like.

    2. Gary Condit/Chandra Levy. No, he didn’t murder her but enough people thought he did that I think it overshadowed Weiner. I considered listing Edward Kennedy/Mary Jo Kopechne but I don’t think they actually ever had a chance to have sex, though I’m sure that was his intention.

  • district1 October 7, 2017 at 2:12 am

    1. Probably not, and if it happened there would be no political ramifications.

    2. Dennis Hastert, the highest ranking politician in American history to go to prison.

    ex D flack (ex flack, not ex D)

  • davybaby October 7, 2017 at 2:34 am

    1. If they take down the statue, will they still call it Columbus Circle?
    2. Sen. Geary waking up with a bloody dead hooker in his bed in Godfather II. Seriously, though, it’s Weiner. He was just pathetic.

    • OGGoldy October 7, 2017 at 9:25 am

      Interesting parallel with that in Minneapolis. Minneapolis renamed Lake Calhoun, Lake Bde Maka Ska, the original Dakota name. They did this because.of John C Calhoun’s influence in the secessionist movement. The lake is a major cultural and recreational hub in the city, as are all the large lakes, are in Minneapolis (translated to The City of Lake). But when they renamed the lake, they didn’t rename the parkway that circumnavigates it: Calhoun Parkway.

  • OGGoldy October 7, 2017 at 9:26 am

    1: I doubt it, but who knows?

    2: Denny Hastert. Raping children as their coach is well beyond anything else scandal-worthy.

  • HS October 7, 2017 at 9:52 am

    1. Surprisingly, I think there might be. When this issue comes up with my non political friends, not all white, there is a surprising pushback. Something about the idea of taking down statues like this must scream phony issue to them, even though they have no real skin in the game (e.g., they are not Italians who care about Columbus or Confederate descendents who care about Lee.)
    2. Hastert if his scandal is considered Congressional. Weiner otherwise.

  • VastBlightKingConspiracy October 7, 2017 at 10:05 am

    Study: the GOP actually is doing fine among young people, though young Republicans are much more supportive of government-funded childcare, renewable energy subsidies, and marijuana legalization. On the other hand, they are much more pro-life and pro-gun than their parents.


    This is all consistent with the general trend of fundamentalist economic conservatism weakening, with social conservatism remaining the primary center-right rallying cry.

    I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • Greyhound October 7, 2017 at 3:20 pm

      Eh, Its got kind of a flawed methodology. The real conclusion here is that young people today are not particularly more left-wing than their immediate elders, the Youngest Gen-Xers and old Millennials. The GOP is getting similar marks among the 18-29 demo now that it did in 2000, but today’s 30-49 group (i.e. roughly the ones who were 18-29 back then) kept their skepticism of the GOP.

      R, 27, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

      • Son_of_the_South October 7, 2017 at 3:25 pm

        Yes, though it’s probably higher among whites 18-29 than it was in 2000, because that demographic is less white today than it was back then.

        24, R, TN-09
        Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • Jon October 7, 2017 at 10:13 am

    I’m actually more interested on thoughts about the Columbus Day Federal Holiday itself than the statue. This appears to be the least observed federal holiday, and in fact I’ve only had the day off when contracted to Federal Govt, State Govt, or bank. So I’d have no objection for it being removed from the list entirely and replaced with the day after Thanksgiving (officially call it “Thanksgiving Friday”.)
    From a historical perspective, it only became a federal holiday in the 1930s and so it doesn’t have a long enough history here for me to be concerned with. (The original day has a much longer history in Latin America, but under different names.)

    #2 I don’t think it’s really the worst as far as the actual crimes committed, but Anthony’s last name will definitely cause it to be remembered as the worst one for a long time.

    45, M, MO-02

    • Red Oaks October 7, 2017 at 10:41 am

      Wow, I didn’t realize the day after Thanksgiving wasn’t already considered a government holiday. Outside of retail, most private sector workers get that day off. I’ve never met anyone in the private sector who had Columbus Day as a holiday.

      MI-03: Tired of Presidency; Focused more on downballot races; Chris Afendoulis for State Senate

      • Izengabe October 7, 2017 at 12:01 pm

        The stock market is open until 1pm the day after Thanksgiving and the bond market is closed on Columbus Day.

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      • Jon October 7, 2017 at 1:46 pm

        I’ve normally had to use a vacation day for the day after Thanksgiving.
        There tends to be skeleton crews at govt offices that day but there’s also skeleton crews at govt offices the entire week between Christmas and New Years.

        45, M, MO-02

        • californianintexas October 8, 2017 at 12:01 am

          When I worked for a pharmaceutical company, days that I got off and my husband, who works for the state government, didn’t were the day after Thanksgiving and New Year’s Eve. Days he got off and I didn’t were Pioneer Day, Columbus Day, and Veterans Day.

          34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

          • Son_of_the_South October 8, 2017 at 12:52 am

            What is ‘Pioneer Day?’

            24, R, TN-09
            Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

            • californianintexas October 8, 2017 at 2:12 am

              It is a state holiday that commemorates the first Mormon pioneers, led by Brigham Young, who settled in Utah July 24, 1847.

              34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

              • Son_of_the_South October 8, 2017 at 2:15 am


                24, R, TN-09
                Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

  • Manhatlibertarian October 7, 2017 at 12:27 pm

    The specific impact of the Columbus statue controversy in NYC is limited; it might cause deBlasio to lose some Italian American votes but his lead is so great over Malliotakis it won’t matter. But if deBlasio tries to make a statewide run (he can’t run again for mayor after this term) it will likely hurt him with Italian Americans statewide if the statue is removed, a significant voting bloc in the state. The Columbus Circle statue in particular is a tourist attraction; it was built with contributions from many Italian Americans and has come to symbolize the struggles of Italian American immigrants in the US. Actually the politician pushing for removal of the statue is not so much deBlasio (who keeps equivocating) but Dem NYC Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito who is on her way out as she is term limited. She is a SJW type of Puerto Rican descent who comes from a relatively affluent background (interestingly enough there are several statues of Columbus in Puerto Rico , Colon in Spanish).

    Well deBlasio is supposed to be at the Columbus Day parade on Monday, one of the big parades in NYC; let”s see what kind of reception he gets.

    Also note Gov Cuomo, who is up for re-election next year, does not want the statue removed. If deBlasio does try to remove it, there could be state legislation blocking him; we’ll see.

    • andyroo312 October 7, 2017 at 1:04 pm

      If Ed Koch couldn’t win a statewide Democratic primary back in the day, I sincerely doubt the far more polarizing De Blasio could pull it off.


      • Manhatlibertarian October 7, 2017 at 1:29 pm

        Depends on how many people are in the primary, where there is no run-off. In a very split field deBlasio might sneak across the finish line; he has strong support from African Americans and white SJW types. But I don’t see any statewide positions opening up for awhile and I doubt he would challenge one of the incumbents.

      • davybaby October 8, 2017 at 11:53 pm

        Koch detested Andrew Cuomo until his dying day because of the 1982 primary, and especially because of the 1977 primary for mayor, which featured signs saying, “Vote for Cuomo, not the homo.” Koch assumed, probably accurately, that Andrew was responsible.

  • Manhatlibertarian October 7, 2017 at 1:53 pm

    Well there are several Repubs in the Senate who have problems with the proposed tax reform legislation. Corker says he won’t vote for any tax reform legislation that adds “one penny” to the deficit. Paul says the legislation will actually increase taxes for the middle class and so he is against it. McCain (who voted against the Bush tax cuts) wants to link the tax reform to more defense spending, although he says he won’t make a red line out of the issue. Then there are the two moderates who voted against replacing Obamacare, Collins and Murkowski. Collins is an unknown, she just says she is studying the plan as is Murkowski. There is a line in the budget resolution that will allow drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge that may get Murkowski’s vote for the tax package.

    So some of these concerns may be met but right now I would put the odds of tax reform at 50/50. Of course there are 3 Red State Dems (Heitkamp, Manchin, Donnelly) who might vote for the tax reform legislation under the right circumstances.


  • rdelbov October 7, 2017 at 2:27 pm

    Merkel is going green!!


    This effort might make it seem that putting an Israeli cabinet together is ever so easy. There has been several German states were we see this coalition but at the National level I expect to see some sturm and drang before it gets done.

    • Jon October 7, 2017 at 6:48 pm

      I think a better title would be “Merkel is going to Jamaica”

      45, M, MO-02

  • krazen1211 October 7, 2017 at 2:41 pm

    With the House passing the latest budget to cut taxes here is a nice SALT map.


    Orange County stands out as rather low…which is nice since maybe the SoCal Reps can vote yes. LI to SEPA ends up being about 10 no votes.

    • Manhatlibertarian October 7, 2017 at 3:14 pm

      Actually 9 of the 18 no votes against the budget resolution that will be used as the basis for tax reform legislation came from 3 states in the NE – Pa, NY, NJ (Dent, Meehan, Fitzpatrick, Costello, Lance, LoBiondo, Smith, King and Katko). Of course there were also the perpetual nay sayers like Amash, Massie and Jones. Interestingly no one from high tax Cal voted no.

  • prsteve11 October 7, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    1. If he has his way, he’ll probably try. I don’t know what the political consequences would be in liberal NYC, but it’s very dangerous that people are trying to erase our history by removing statues of important people and of our Founding Fathers, etc. There will always be ‘reasons’ why some forefather shouldn’t be honored, be it slavery or anything else. I’m sure even Abraham Lincoln did and said things that could be used to justify stripping him of honor. I think it’s just part of the left’s attack on America’s greatness and exceptionalism that separates it from the rest of the world. I’m waiting to see when they try to throw everyone off the money and indeed some are already trying. It’s just disgusting.

    2. That’s a tough one. Weiner is pretty high up there but Hastert and Condit were right up there too.

    SC-03, Conservative Republican

    • Manhatlibertarian October 7, 2017 at 8:27 pm

      Actually, although Lincoln is associated with the freeing of the slaves, he thought the white race was superior to the black race, and initially did not want to abolish slavery in slave states, only prevent it’s expansion into territories that would eventually become states. When he issued the Emancipation Proclamation in early 1863, it applied to areas in rebellion against the US, so that abolition of slavery in these areas was a “punishment” for rebelling; it also made it less likely Britain or France would intervene on the side of the South, as slavery was not popular with the population of these countries. So you could argue that he was not quite the great liberator he was made out to be (although he eventually came to support the 13th Amendment which outright abolished slavery). So Lincoln, as is the case with slaveholders Washington and Jefferson and “imperialist” Columbus, has some “not nice” things in his background. But you have to look at the important things these people accomplished and not just hold them to today’s standards. I see them as different from people like Lee or Stonewall Jackson, whose only claim to fame was leading a rebellion against the US.

      • prsteve11 October 7, 2017 at 10:25 pm

        Good points. Man is imperfect and it’s wrong to judge someone by one thing they did or didn’t do. It’s quite possible that some of the leaders of today could be criticized for supporting or opposing something that is deemed acceptable or unacceptable 50 or 100 years down the road.

        SC-03, Conservative Republican

      • Left Coast Libertarian October 7, 2017 at 11:34 pm

        You’re making it sound like Lincoln didn’t oppose slavery. While he was no abolitionist he opposed slavery from the time he entered politics. Lincoln had left politics until he was drawn back into it by the Kansas–Nebraska Act in 1854. When the Whigs fell apart over its failure to oppose slavery Lincoln immediately jumped to the abolitionist Republican party. He didn’t join the No Nothings. Lincoln’s Peoria speech in 1854 expressed where he stood.

        While almost all Republicans were for abolition in 1860 it was the Radical Republicans that wanted to abolish slavery. Lincoln led a more moderate faction that believed that abolition would lead to Civil War. So Republicans opposed expansion of slavery. By the time Lincoln took office seven states had seceded. In order to avoid Civil War Lincoln told them they could rejoin the Union without abolishing slavery. Lincoln was pragmatic. He made the Emancipation Proclamation because he felt it’d help to end the war.

        He wasn’t Thaddeus Stevens when it came to slavery but Stevens and his radicals couldn’t get congress to abolish slavery. Lincoln did.

        • Manhatlibertarian October 8, 2017 at 10:06 pm

          Well I never said Lincoln didn’t personally oppose slavery, only that he initially did not propose eliminating it in the Southern states, only in the Western territories, which he did want to see entering the union as slave states. As I indicated, even with the Emancipation Proclamation he used his Commander In Chief power to weaken rebellious southern states that continued in rebellion, depriving their economies of slave manpower as the Union troops advanced. The Emancipation Proclamation did not abolish slavery in border states that did not secede or in areas already reclaimed by the North at the time, like Tennessee, West Virginia and South Louisiana. With the final collapse of the South Lincoln had a clear path to push the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery through Congress and appease the powerful Radical Republicans. By the time the amendment was ratified by the end of 1865 slavery was still legal in only 2 states, Kentucky and Delaware.

          So on the one hand he did end up abolishing slavery, but to keep the Union together he was quite willing to tolerate slavery in the Southern states if they would stay in the Union. He also had racist views and toyed with the idea of shipping a lot of Blacks back to Africa. So my point is even though Lincoln personally disliked slavery and ended up favoring abolishing it via the 13th Amendment, he also had character flaws when you looked at his views in general. So by the standards some people are using these days you could argue memorials to Lincoln should go down. That is not something I would favor. But I just wanted to point out that a number of historical figures who have great accomplishments also had flaws, so you have to look at the total picture. That is not the case with people like Lee, Jefferson Davis or Stonewall Jackson, who are really only notable for leading a rebellion against the US.

      • gladstone October 8, 2017 at 8:36 am

        Abolishing slavery was linked intrinsically with the problem of what to do with the slaves after they were freed. Slaves+Free blacks would be majorities in South Carolina, Mississippi, and Louisiana, almost 60% in the previous two cases. If you were a radical republican of the New England Puritan background and you supported equal rights, then giving them the vote was perfectly fine, even though it would lead to those states being under the rule of freed slaves. But for a majority of Northerners, even a large portion if not a majority of Republicans, the idea of having whites under “black rule” , especially under the rule of ignorant” ex-slaves was at best disturbing, and at worst horrifying. And the idea of imposing it by force, with armed black militias, was unthinkable, as it would be in the 1870s.

        So you had an existential problem. If you freed the former slaves and gave them the vote they would take over and run everything. If you didn’t then you would have South Africa with a majority population freed from the restrictions of slavery but denied any access to the political process and resentful.

        That is why Lincoln and others flirted with the idea of colonization, but that was far too expensive, not to mention that before modern medicine, Liberian emigrants had something like a 40% mortality rate. But to say that makes him a racist is both a truism and to ignore that all but perhaps 5% of Americans shared his concerns about “black rule”.

  • w920us October 7, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    This die-hard Democratic city is about to turn Republican

    While Philly provides the base for Democratic wins in the state, it still requires enough votes from the smaller cites spread across the state. Losing Erie, PA as this article describes illustrates future problems for the party in the state if they lose everything outside of Philly.

    R, South Philly, 47, Gay, WFU Alum
    #TrumpVoter #NeverHillary

    • Greyhound October 7, 2017 at 9:10 pm

      Eh, there’s a difference between losing the city mayor’s office and losing it on a federal level. Clinton still won every precinct in the city last year.

      R, 27, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

      • w920us October 7, 2017 at 9:20 pm

        The reduced Dem margins in the city of Erie provided Trump the ability to be the first Republican to win the County of Erie since 1984. The GOP also knocked out a Democratic incumbent state senator in this Democratic leaning county last year. My point is that continuing to lose everything outside of Philly is a bad sign for the Dems.

        R, South Philly, 47, Gay, WFU Alum
        #TrumpVoter #NeverHillary

        • Greyhound October 7, 2017 at 9:54 pm

          The Democrats only have 6 State Senate Seats outside of SEPA (7 if you don’t count Berks as SEPA). And the NEPA ones can almost certainly be consolidated into 2 or maybe even 1 seat next time.

          R, 27, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

          • Ryan_in_SEPA October 8, 2017 at 3:01 pm

            The Republicans are going to continue to reduce these margins as the last of the Silent Generation dies off.

            31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

    • Manhatlibertarian October 7, 2017 at 9:24 pm

      Well it certainly would be interesting if the Repub Persinger wins this normally Dem city, but this article is basically anecdotal and there is no polling information provided. The fact that Hillary beat Trump in all the precincts in this city is not too encouraging. Persinger is clearly working hard but his Dem opponent doesn’t sound like a damaged candidate, so it would be quite an upset if the Repub wins; we’ll see in November.

  • Greyhound October 7, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    Also, that Reason vid is incorrect. All that needs to happen is get a 5th Left-wing justice on the SC to declare the Constitution a Living Document and that the 2nd Amendment actually requires that the Federal Government regulate all guns!

    R, 27, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

  • krazen1211 October 7, 2017 at 11:59 pm

    Here is a nice piece about FL Retirement communities.


    • davybaby October 8, 2017 at 1:25 am

      The Villages is where this classic ad was filmed:


    • Republican Michigander October 8, 2017 at 3:38 pm

      It’s showing in Florida’s SW Gulf Coast as well (outside of Tampa and St Pete itself, and parts of Fort Myers itself).

      MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

  • RogueBeaver October 8, 2017 at 8:58 am

    WY-SEN: Erik Prince, who apparently lived in WY 20-odd years ago, is leaning towards primarying Barrasso with Bannon’s support. Count me skeptical after vivid memories of Cheney’s campaign 5 years ago with a strong family brand. Bannon’s also supporting McDaniel and encouraging Ann LePage in ME. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/08/us/politics/erik-prince-blackwater-wyoming-senate.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

    QC/Blue Tory/M

    • HS October 8, 2017 at 9:35 am

      Beat me to this.

      Bannon has always struck me as very unimpressive, and this article just reinforces this belief. Prince is not going to beat Barasso. And Bannon certainly should be able to find better candidates in MS and ME than these two.

      Coupled with the fact that Bannon has terrible people skills, even with people with similar issue backgrounds – see Ben Shapiro – and I really wonder how the hell Bannon got to where he is (by impressing Breitbart and then Trump). The only thing I can guess is the old saying that God looks out for children and morons.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy October 8, 2017 at 12:08 pm

        The best explanation for the success of not-so-impressive people is that their opponents are even worse! I don’t think anyone would argue that Republican politics is populated with intelligent, competent people. If it was, Donald Trump wouldn’t have bulldozed the “MOST QUALIFIED FIELD EVER” and Republicans would actually be capable of doing…something.

        What I’ve heard from friends that have interacted with Bannon doesn’t particularly impress me (he made several monumentally stupid calls early in the administration in actually trying to co-opt the GOP establishment)…but neither does really anyone in Republican politics.

        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • Ryan_in_SEPA October 8, 2017 at 2:52 pm

          People seem to forget that the Republican staffer consultant complex is a bastion of incompetence. Most competent center-right types realize that the private sector is where to go to make money.

          31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

          • RogueBeaver October 8, 2017 at 3:07 pm

            NBC: Bannon will try to run challengers against all GOP incumbents except – lol- Cruz. Rolling them out starting this week. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/welker-steve-bannon-to-target-all-incumbent-senators-except-ted-cruz-1065484867551

            QC/Blue Tory/M

          • district1 October 8, 2017 at 5:00 pm

            Republican consultants, pollsters and ad makers seemed to be pretty damn good at messaging in 2010 and 2014.

            It’s certainly not the consultants’ fault that Romney lost or that Trump overran the competition in the primary with sheer force of personality and hundreds of millions of dollars in free media.

            People love slamming consultants until they get a chance to test their own ideas in a focus group or survey and find out how terrible they really are.

            ex D flack (ex flack, not ex D)

  • district1 October 8, 2017 at 11:43 am

    Senator Bob Corker‏ @SenBobCorker
    It’s a shame the White House has become an adult day care center. Someone obviously missed their shift this morning.

    Who would have thought that repeatedly insulting a retiring senator could backfire?

    ex D flack (ex flack, not ex D)

    • segmentation_fault October 8, 2017 at 12:00 pm

      Damn, look what Republicans are willing to say when they’re not running for re-election….

      En Marche!

  • Left Coast Libertarian October 8, 2017 at 12:03 pm


    Chris Collins in an ethics probe. As Dr. Coburn once explained to me (name drop) Congressional rules say that a congressman can’t have another job. So he could practice medicine for free but not for compensation. There’s nothing unusual about Collins being a chairman of two of his companies or being a real estate investor. He needs to disclose these things and recuse himself from any business that might impact them. He shouldn’t be an active board member of a publicly traded company, however. It’s not a major ethics violation but it certainly doesn’t look good.

  • VastBlightKingConspiracy October 8, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    A good Politico article on how liberals have become obsessed with gerrymandering and think more favorable district-drawing is some kind of panacea to everything facing them.


    Hardcore ideologues on both sides seem to really like to make up imaginary barriers to the inevitable utopian success of their ideology than admit that their ideology is not an inevitable successful highest end-goal of human civilization. A common historical tendency among Communists, Nazis, ghost dancers, Xhosa cattle-killers, and apparently now the ideological establishment of both parties.

    I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • SlippingJimmy October 8, 2017 at 1:44 pm

      That reminds me of how I once saw a tweet claiming that gerrymandering was a factor in PA voting for Trump.

      Republican, TX-22.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy October 8, 2017 at 1:54 pm

        Or this.


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • rdelbov October 8, 2017 at 3:53 pm

          Well of course CA should have 50 times the US senate seats the Wyoming or at least Nancy Pelosi and MSNBC thinks so. Its that constitutional stuff preventing that from happening.

          Going back to the D obession with Gerrymandering. IMO the net affect of Gerrymandering is perhaps 3 or 4 or maybe 5 seats. We had a recent diary suggesting that point and IMO it was spot on. I think the Ds recognize the Pelosi far left problem. Even with a super weak candidate in MT the Ds could not that seat. They are so far left in the spectrum that other then rural MN they can’t win marginal seats.

    • davybaby October 8, 2017 at 11:54 pm

      I would call the Greenfield piece a column, rather than an article.

  • legofan2001 October 8, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    Alright for number two im going to say

    GARY HART think about it he was supposed to be presidential nominee for the democrats in 1988 yet threw it all away because of his scandal.

    • Lucas Black October 8, 2017 at 6:31 pm

      Hart was not still in the Senate at that time, though. He did not run for re-election in 1986.

    • davybaby October 8, 2017 at 11:45 pm

      True dat.

      BTW, Gary and Lee Hart will have their 60th wedding anniversary next year. Some would say that a sex scandal is only a scandal if a couple stays together. If they divorce, no problem.

  • Ryan_in_SEPA October 8, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    1. Yes it will come down and there will be minimal consequences. I do not mind bringing it down as we really should not be honoring a guy who was 7000 miles off course.

    2. Weinergate!

    31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

  • andrew_1918 October 8, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    VA-Gov: Northam- 49, Gillespie- 44 (Emerson, 10/5-7)
    Also: “Democrats led on the generic ballot for the Virginia House of Delegates, 48% to 44%, even though independents break for the Republican candidate 42% to 38%”

    • rdelbov October 8, 2017 at 10:10 pm

      Election will even be tighter if voter turnout looks like 2009 as opposed to 2013 numbers.

    • Manhatlibertarian October 8, 2017 at 10:34 pm

      This is more in line with other recent polls, unlike the WaPo poll which showed Northam leading by 13 points (the same poll also showed McAuliffe leading Cuccinelli by 12 points when in the end he won by 3 in 2013). One thing that bother me though is around 5 points is the margin by which Clinton won the state. Now I know the 2017 electorate is likely different from the 2016 electorate in that Black voter turnout and young voter turnout is likely to be lower. But on the other hand white progressive voters, particularly in suburbs, are “enthused” to turnout for Dems to “stick it” to Trump. Gillespie needs to motivate voters a little more to turn out and vote for him if he is to win; he needs to find issues that will resonate with voters.

      • Boehnerwasright October 9, 2017 at 5:17 am

        I think you are right that Gillespie needs to find issue to motivate voters, but that is easier said then done. The difference between rural virgina and the suburbs where the swingvoters reside are big and Trump is not helping with his constant distractions.

        Gillespie’s dilemma reminds me a bit of some southern dems after the civil rights act, who ran 2 nearly complete different campaigns. One for the black population and a different one for the white people.
        Many rural republicans want a pro-trump campaign based around cultural issues. While many suburban republican voters want fiscal matters to be front and center and don’t care for Trump or many cultural issues that animates the rural base.

  • freego October 8, 2017 at 10:56 pm

    Decent approval numbers for Trump, and if VA Dems only get a 4% spread in the House of Delegates, the GOP majority should be safe. A 5% lead for Northam sounds right, and everything still points to a Lean-D race in which Northam wins by about 2%-3% in my opinion.

    24, M, Rockefeller Republican, VA-08

    • Boehnerwasright October 9, 2017 at 5:19 am

      A 4% lead should make the VA house very safe for republicans. They have a 66/34 majority and a good gerymander on their side.

      • rdelbov October 9, 2017 at 8:49 am

        I prefer not to use the “G” word to describe the Virginia house map. Rather the Ds have a huge self packing effect in the state. Arlington, Alexandria, Norfolk and Richmond cites as well Farifax counties go heavily D in most elections. +70% margins except for Fairfax that is in 60%. There are other self packing for the Ds in a few university towns as well as AA counties. A fair map of any sort nets the GOP 60 house seats in VA.

        I do get your point as +4D on the generic will net out 60 or so GOP house seats this year.

      • w920us October 9, 2017 at 9:00 am

        If anything, isn’t the State Senate map the one that is gerrymandered (to favor the Democrats)?

        It’s just that voting results have overwhelmed the map.

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        • rdelbov October 9, 2017 at 1:56 pm

          100% correct-the state senate map slices and dices up counties to help the Ds. Arlington to Loudon or to Prince William county.

          I try to be careful when I use the “gerrymander” word. For instance Kansas is 4R and OD yet I contend that it is not a gerrymander for the Rs. Sure you could have a seat with Topeka, Lawrence and Kansas City KS counties in one CD. That would likely be a 3R-1D map but the logical thing for any map maker to draw is an urban seat with Johnson County and Kansas City KS in one CD. So yes do that favors the Rs but it is not a gerrymander.

          Now when you slice and dice Portland OR into 3 CDs or slice and dice up R areas in MA while ignoring county lines those are gerrymanders. I fully admit that OH and PA are modern day gerrymanders but IMO Michigan is a map that just favors the Rs. In NC the only counties split are those that are required by population adjustments and while the map favors the Rs it is not a gerrymander.

  • VastBlightKingConspiracy October 9, 2017 at 12:23 am

    An interesting, albeit very liberal article on how College Republican groups are developing.


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