Political Roundup for November 9, 2017

Check back at 3pm ET today for our preview of the weekend’s PA-18 convention. Now as I am wondering if we should start treating college and non-college educated whites like they are separate races (at least during the Trump era), it is time for today’s roundup:

President/National

Nuclear Weapons:  Senator Bob Corker (R-Anti-Trump) is going to hold a hearing next week on the President’s authority to use nuclear weapons.   The Senate Foreign Relations Committee will examine the gripping topic of whether Trump can push the metaphorical Big Red Button if a Twitter discussion goes wrong.

Trump/2018:  Republicans continue to face the dilemma of whether to run with or away from President Trump (Himself).  This has been a dilemma since January 2016 and will only get worse.

Biden:  America’s goofy old uncle, former Vice President Joe Biden (D-Old Scranton) is warning us that President Trump’s rhetoric is eating at the fabric of this country.  While Trump is like a flesh eating organism attacking the flesh known as American unity, Biden seems to be missing the body known as America has been weakened before the latest opportunistic organism attacked.

Johnstown:  Politico looks at the most over-analyzed small city in America, Johnstown, Pennsylvania, and sees that MAGA is still alive and well.

Congress/States

Doing Something:  Congressional Republicans are suddenly feeling the pressure to do something after the Volvo/Subaru set decided to start exclusively voting their values after congressional Republicans cannot do anything economically for the upper middle class, who Republican congresscritters only really car about.  The futile efforts will surely involve doing something to further anger such voters.

Suburban Revolt:  Suburbs dominated by college educated whites decided the appropriate response to MAGA and the rise of working class white identity politics was to throw caution to the wind and just vote for people screaming the loudest against the utter reprehensible working class whites they thought had died off until 2016.

More Suburban Revolt:  More on the revolutionary behavior in Volvo/Subaru heavy zip codes in response to Trump.  Republicans did not just underperform their normal metrics in these areas.  Many of them underperformed even Trump.  For the record I am a Subaru driver with my next choice in vehicle being Volvo.

VA-2:  Representative Scott Taylor (R) is on the hot seat since his Virginia Beach area district went for Governor-Elect Ralph Northam (D).  Taylor’s seat has previously been rated on the very fringe of competitiveness.

2018:  Atlantic puts together a decent piece highlight despite the college educated white meltdown, the Democrats have a very narrow margin for winning control of Congress.

International

Saudi Arabia:  Here at RRHElections we cover elections, but in some places, elections are not really how governance shifts from one group to another.  Case in point, Saudi Arabia has been gripped with what some are calling a coup by Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman (Saudi Arabia Bold Progressive) in the name of modernizing / cracking down on corruption in the Land of 10,000 Princes.

UK:  The government of Prime Minister Theresa May (Conservative) suffered another setback as Foreign Aid Minister and party star Priti Patel resigned due to her having unauthorized meetings with Israeli officials this summer.  This is the second minister to resign from the May Ministry in a week.  This comes at a time when May is struggling through negotiating the Brexit and the fear of going to the polls and getting electorally destroyed by the Trotsky and IRA loving Leader of Her Majesty’s Vanguard of the Proletariat.

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242 Comments

  • OGGoldy November 9, 2017 at 8:05 am

    MN-St.-Sen
    Looks like DFL State Senator and Cottage Grove police officer has been sexually harassing women. Both the GOP and DFL caucus leaders have called for him to step down. This is a swingy suburban district, that if open would certainly draw a lot of attention in a special election, as the GOP currently holds a 34-33 majority.
    https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2017/11/multiple-women-accuse-minnesota-state-senator-dan-schoen-sexual-harassment

  • AJNolte November 9, 2017 at 10:20 am

    Crown Prince Mohammed [Saudi bold progressive]: love it!

    On Taylor: Isn’t Northam from fairly close to Hampton Roads? I wonder if he got a bit of a home town bounce. I’ve just moved into Hampton Roads, and Taylor seems decently popular here.


    33, male, VA-02, libertarian so-con hawk, Semi-persuadable Trump skeptic.

    • GorrestFump November 9, 2017 at 11:08 am

      Yea, Northam is from the Eastern Shore and lives in Norfolk along with his military background he was a perfect for the area. And on Taylor he is my Rep as well and I think he is pretty safe.

  • w920us November 9, 2017 at 10:30 am

    Philly District Attorney election articles

    Ward Map wins.
    District Attorney Vote Reveals a Divided City
    http://www.philly.com/philly/infographics/District_Attorney_Vote_Reveals_a_Divided_City.html

    And a ridiculous editorial from the LA Times a about the DA race
    Philadelphia voters soundly reject Jeff Sessions’ storm-trooper approach to criminal justice
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-krasner-election-20171109-story.html

    All this election shows is that Philly is a Democratic City and nothing short of the apocalypse would have enabled the Republican to win this race. This editorial is beyond idiotic.


    R, South Philly, 47, Gay, WFU Alum
    #TrumpVoter #NeverHillary

    • Son_of_the_South November 9, 2017 at 2:37 pm

      On the LA Times editorial: Lol wut? Are they not aware that Philly has not elected a Republican DA since Specter, and would likely never do so again barring huge demographic changes or LBDG scenario?


      24, R, TN-09
      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

      • Indy1975a November 9, 2017 at 2:58 pm

        I think a tough-on-crime D running as an Indy could have beaten Krasner, especially if s/he was black. Of course, if there was a serious race for DA, it would have bumped up turnout which could have hurt Rs statewide.


        Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

      • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 3:43 pm

        @SOTS I totally disagree. A live boy or a dead girl could totally get elected District Attorney over any Republican in Philly.


        Follow me on Twitter: @Izengabe_

      • HS November 9, 2017 at 3:45 pm

        Ron Castille was a Republican DA in Philadelphia from the 80s through the early 90s. He later was elected to the PA Supreme Court. Minor correction. 😉

  • davybaby November 9, 2017 at 10:45 am

    Do they still make Volvos?

    • district1 November 9, 2017 at 12:41 pm

      Yes, though they don’t make Saabs any more.


      ex D flack (ex flack, not ex D)

  • Tekzilla November 9, 2017 at 10:55 am

    Bob Goodlatte retiring.

    Nothing to see here with these retirements.


    36/M/NY-01 (D)

    • shamlet November 9, 2017 at 11:06 am

      Yeah, this one’s pretty much a yawner. Termed out of Judiciary, Obenshain’s seat if he wants it.

      Please take it to the FP.


      R, MD-7. Put not your trust in princes. Process is more important than outcome.

    • andrew_1918 November 9, 2017 at 12:58 pm

      Gillespie +22 district

  • Republican Michigander November 9, 2017 at 11:23 am

    “”f we should start treating college and non-college educated whites like they are separate races”” – As someone with 2 degrees, I’ll say that degree doesn’t make one educated. There are plenty of folks with some college and associates degrees that get classified by idiots with journalist degrees as “uneducated” even thought they are much more educated than your average journalism degree, and 100 times more educated than your general studies, SJW studies degrees.

    VA-2 – That seat (as is much of the Tidewater) has been competitive off and on for 20 years.

    “Suburban revolt” – Pundits are making the same uneducated (to use their term) error by classifying suburbs an monolith. Trump did better in suburbs overall than Romney nationwide. (Joel Kotkin did the study, I need to find it – probably at newgeography.com)


    MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

    • CyHawk November 9, 2017 at 12:14 pm

      I agree there is way too much generalization of suburban voting based on Tuesday’s results. Northern Virginia’s “suburbs” are somewhat unique. Where else is there such a large concentration of government bureaucrats and contractors who constantly feel their jobs are threatened by Republican policies to cut federal spending? Other than the DC suburbs of Maryland, a state that trended dark blue long ago largely due to that concentration.

      • Boehnerwasright November 9, 2017 at 12:22 pm

        Maryland suburbs could be a problem for Hogan. While Hogan will try to distance himself from Trump as much as possible while still holding onto the R base, will it be enough when suburban voters want to send a anti-trump message?
        Hogan losing also likely means a stronger dem gerrymander as they wouldn’t need to overrule Hogan’s veto in 2021.

      • davybaby November 9, 2017 at 2:24 pm

        True, except that Virginia’s government employees and contractors largely owe their jobs to MILITARY spending.

    • californianintexas November 9, 2017 at 3:33 pm

      Yes, no two suburban areas are created equal. I can’t wait to take a look at the upper Midwestern suburban areas when I get to those states. So far in my diaries I noticed an R trend in suburban areas in Alabama and Arkansas; in Arizona possibly a D trend in Maricopa County, though it’s harder to tell without analyzing the county city by city; and obvious D trends in California (Northern and especially Southern), Colorado, and Connecticut (Fairfield) suburbs.


      34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

  • Boehnerwasright November 9, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    Chris Pappas just announced for NH-1, an open previously dem hold seat. This seat changed parties a lot in the last 10 years, but dems should be able to hold it easily in 2018. Pappas looks like the strongest recruit for dems in the general, but not 100% he will win the primary.

    http://www.wmur.com/article/wmur-first-democrat-pappas-announces-candidacy-for-1st-district-us-house-seat/13509553

  • prsteve11 November 9, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    The Senate Judiciary Committee today voted 11-9 to advance Greg Katsas to the full Senate for a seat on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. The reshaping of the judiciary with constitutional conservatives continues …


    SC-03, Conservative Republican

    • Mayor Perk November 9, 2017 at 1:00 pm

      Nice. But he will replace Janice Rogers Brown who was solid. DC Circuit still firmly left wing regrettably.


      30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

  • roguemapper November 9, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    The DCCC is reportedly expanding its target list:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/11/09/after-massive-rejection-of-trumpism-democrats-expand-offensive-to-take-back-house/

    CA-04, IN-09, NY-02, OH-12, PA-11, PA-15, TX-21, UT-04, WA-05, WI-01, WI-06

    Seems a bit ambitious to me, but hey, why not?!


    Dem NC-11

    • cer November 9, 2017 at 12:41 pm

      The GOP will probably hold most of those seats rather easily, but if the D’s want to waste their money on them… GO FOR IT! 🙂


      Conservative first, Republican second!

    • Republican Michigander November 9, 2017 at 1:01 pm

      CA-04 – McClintock is a bit ambitious, but any top 2 seat should be contested.
      IN-09 – Only chance is if Bloomington goes way above and beyond. Johnson County had a much better vote spread for Trump than Romney (that goes against suburban narrative).
      NY-02 – Trump did well in Peter King’s district, but it is Long Island and it does have Wyandanch. I’m shocked D’s don’t contest every time.
      OH-12 – Ambitious. Not all of Suburban Columbus moved away from Trump. Licking County was bigtime for Trump. Trump still won Delaware County where he struggled by 15%. Morrow was 70%+ Trump. Richland County was big Trump area (although I think Mansfield itself is probably D leaning due to being 20% black). I’m sure the Ohio State University suburbs (Upper Arlington, etc) were a bloodbath.
      PA-11 – Open seat. If the D’s are lucky, they’ll get a Tim Holden type.
      PA-15 – Nothing with Allentown and Bethlehem is safe.
      TX-21 – I never liked this district’s shape. This one worried me a bit with demographics as well as putting part of Austin there. Next redistricting, I’d votesink Travis County as much as possible.
      UT-04 – D’s love to target R minorities.
      WA-05 – Spokane seat? Both Trump (somewhat) and Clinton (bigtime) underperformed there. Whitman County (Washington St) is D leaning, but that’s small and less D than other college counties.
      WI-01 – Smart move on D’s here going after Ryan. Trump did better than Romney here, but it’s the speaker.
      WI-06 – I don’t see this one at all.


      MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

  • Manhatlibertarian November 9, 2017 at 12:58 pm

    NY Thursday Tidbits :

    In an upset, Dems picked up the Monroe County (Rochester and suburbs) Sheriff seat for the first time in almost 4 decades with the victory of Todd Baxter. Not all Dems were happy with the candidate however, because he had a history of being a Repub and a Trump supporter in the past.

    Besides winning the Westchester CE race 57%-43%, Dems swept out 3 GOP members of the county legislature. The balance is now 12-5 Dem.

    Dem candidate for Rensselaer County CE, Andrea Smyth is refusing to concede defeat to Repub Steve McLaughlin, waiting for absentee ballots to be counted next week. However McLaughlin points out that he is leading by about 950 votes and there are only about 1700 absentees, so mathematically it will be difficult for her to win.

    Absentee and provisional ballots will also be counted next week in the close race for NYC council member for the the 30th district seat in Queens, currently held by Dem Elizabeth Crowley. Repub candidate Bob Holden leads by 133 votes out of about 20,000 cast. Holden campaigned against the opening of a homeless shelter in the district, while Crowley waffled on the issue. He also opposes Mayor deBlasio’s plan for the closing of the big NYC jail on Riker’s Island and having smaller jails scattered throughout the city, which Crowley supports. It is not clear if Holden, a lifelong Dem despite running on the GOP line, will caucus with the Repubs or Dems in the city council. By the way, a correction from my post yesterday, Crowley is the cousin of Queens Dem boss Congressman Joe Crowley, not his daughter. Her father Walter, was a Queens Councilman in the 1980s.

    all at:

    http://www.nystateofpolitics.com/

  • edtorres04 November 9, 2017 at 1:02 pm

    Roy Moore:

    https://t.co/yIEJs4YtTY

    • edtorres04 November 9, 2017 at 1:03 pm

      He initiated contact with a kid when he was 32

      • jncca November 9, 2017 at 2:09 pm

        He’s really following the Bible to the letter! In those times 14 year olds got married regularly.


        24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

    • edtorres04 November 9, 2017 at 1:04 pm

      Can he drop out?

      • Republican Michigander November 9, 2017 at 1:07 pm

        I’m not taking the WaPo’s version for anything.


        MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

        • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 1:22 pm

          Your skepticism about the media and polling is bordering on truly Trumpian conspiratorialism. You don’t have to believe anyone, and perhaps you shouldn’t be I’ve the Post. But you and the voters of Alabama absolutely deserve to hear what the poor woman has to say.


          • cer November 9, 2017 at 1:29 pm

            You mean how the Cult of Obama always hated on certain factions of the MSM! Everything comes full circle!?


            Conservative first, Republican second!

          • californianintexas November 9, 2017 at 1:33 pm

            Like with the allegations against Herman Cain (who I am no fan of) in 2012, I too am suspicious of the timing of these incidents. I will listen, though I wonder why the allegations didn’t come out way back when Moore first ran for office.


            34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

          • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 1:35 pm

            It is instructive, though, of how a significant number of GOP voters will respond to the story. If it was a swing or merely R-leaning state, the candidacy is probably done. But in Alabama you have a pretty wide margin of error to work with, and assuming that Moore keeps denying the allegations, you’ve probably got a pretty high floor for the GOP candidate. Obviously I hope this isn’t true, but, wow wow wow.


          • TennesseeMike November 9, 2017 at 2:00 pm

            So if I don’t believe anything the “Washington Bleep” says without independent conformation I’m a Trumpian conspiratorialism? Then I guess I am. If the “Washington Bleep” said the sky was blue I’d have to look up to make sure a hurricane wasn’t about to hit. They have earned my distrust. IMO they are one of the worst in the country.


            TN-2 District. A Social and Fiscal Conservative Republican

            • HS November 9, 2017 at 3:51 pm

              The Post is well known for going after Republicans. Remember George Allen and Bob McDonnell?

              Is this particular allegation true or fake? We don’t know yet. But anyone on the Republican side would be foolish to believe the Post without proof. Or, to believe a Democrat commenting on this website.

          • Republican Michigander November 9, 2017 at 2:21 pm

            In the case of the media, it’s based on 20 years of bald faced lies. I’ve seen it against gun owners. I’ve seen it against McCain. I’ve seen it against Trump. I’ve seen it against Jason Chaffetz. I’ve seen it over and over again.

            In the case of candidate polls (not to be confused with issue polls which are worthless or generic polls which are close to worthless), I take them for what they are, an educated guess of a sample the preferences of the district at the time the poll was taken (a few days before release). It’s a ballpark figure. The guess part is based on estimated turnout. People look at the difference in the candidates. I look at top number. If the polls say 49%+ for Candidate X, then that gives me a good idea where things are leaning. If it’s 47-42, it tells me very little, but the pundits are going to call that a lead. 47% doesn’t win most elections, and that’s if it is dead on. Polls aren’t worthless, but I believe them only to the point of a ballpark figure.


            MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

        • andyroo312 November 9, 2017 at 1:48 pm

          Gotta love that your anger is directed at the Post and not the man accused of assaulting four women.


          MA-7

          • Mayor Perk November 9, 2017 at 1:53 pm

            The Post story does not allege he assaulted four women.


            30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

            • jncca November 9, 2017 at 2:10 pm

              Yeah it wasn’t assault according to anything in the article.


              24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

          • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 1:57 pm

            Apparently the woman whom Moore allegedly assaulted is a Trump voter. Moore is blaming the Post and the DNC for a Trump voter’s allegations against him? I’m still scratching my head.


          • Republican Michigander November 9, 2017 at 2:25 pm

            “””Gotta love that your anger is directed at the Post and not the man accused of assaulting four women.”””

            It’s because at least as of now, I don’t believe the story.

            If this was a court filing, an arrest, or a local Montgomery story that broke much earlier, I’d probably have a different reaction to the allegation of bad behavior. I say this as someone who would have voted probably for Brooks instead if I lived in Bama.


            MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

      • cer November 9, 2017 at 1:32 pm

        By the way, not only can he drop out, but can the GOP replace him in time for the general!?


        Conservative first, Republican second!

        • fzw November 9, 2017 at 1:34 pm

          No need he’ll still win by 20 points


          Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
          R-leaning Indy.

    • cer November 9, 2017 at 1:04 pm

      What if this isn’t true!?


      Conservative first, Republican second!

      • Republican Michigander November 9, 2017 at 1:11 pm

        My guard is up.
        1. This story didn’t get out during the Judicial Races?
        2. This story didn’t get out during the PRIMARY?
        3. This was a WaPo story, not a local story.

        I’m not going to say that she’s lying. I don’t know. Politicians don’t have the best track record on this stuff, and I don’t trust Moore that much. I would have voted for someone else in the primary (Brooks probably). I’m suspicious on the timing, right after Virginia. I’m suspicious on the source even more.


        MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

        • RRR November 9, 2017 at 1:16 pm

          If this is indeed true, and it checks out with me, I suspect we’ll hear more accusations in the coming days. When there’s smoke, there’s fire. Usually, these things don’t happen in isolation.


          PA-2/IL-9/NY-7; Bronxville Test conservative
          More Steve Litzows/no Moore Kings or Bannons. Sasse '20

          • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 1:23 pm

            That’s an excellent point. Apparently three other women are reporting similar stories.


          • Mayor Perk November 9, 2017 at 1:32 pm

            Maybe. The problem with this story is that it mixes up disgusting behavior with perfectly legal behavior and also made a point to highlight Moore’s age difference with his wife. That’s a red flag to me.


            30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

            • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 1:40 pm

              Alabama’s age of consent is 14?


              • Mayor Perk November 9, 2017 at 1:43 pm

                No, 16 I believe.


                30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

              • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 1:48 pm

                So it’s definitely not legal behavior.


                • Mayor Perk November 9, 2017 at 2:00 pm

                  The first story is illegal and obviously reprehensible if true. The others are far different though.


                  30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

                  • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 2:02 pm

                    I see what you’re saying. I agree.


                • Jon November 10, 2017 at 10:21 am

                  If done today definitely; but the legal standard for an accused crime is what the law was at the time; e.g. if a minor says she gave consent then what the age of consent was in AL 40 years ago rather than today. At least it would be if statue of limitations hadn’t run out decades ago.

                  Moral issues is a different question.


                  45, M, MO-02

          • andyroo312 November 9, 2017 at 1:38 pm

            Indeed. That said, even with additional accusations, Moore can still probably prevail. Good ole Alabama.


            MA-7

            • andyroo312 November 9, 2017 at 4:01 pm

              1. I’m not a registered Democrat or self-described liberal.

              2. I was too young to vote in ’00 and ’04. Supported Giuliani in the primaries in ’08 and then Obama in the general after McCain picked Gov. Nutjob as his running mate. Interned with Romney’s campaign in ’12 and wholeheartedly supported him.

              3. Get off my back.


              MA-7

              • HS November 10, 2017 at 1:01 pm

                This is clearly in reference to my earlier post, which I can’t find now. To reiterate, you have spent a lot of time talking about how you are a Republican who needs to be wooed back by the Party. Yet, as you have just demonstrated, you only voted for a Republican in one presidential election, and before you could vote you supported Democrats Gore, Kerry, and Obama. You also voted against Trump.

                Now, you may have been a registered Republican much of this time, but it doesn’t change the fact that you are not really a Republican voter. It also doesn’t change the fact that your opposition to Republican candidates has little to do with Trump, unlike other people who are truly Republican Never Trumpers (on this website or elsewhere).

                So, if you want me to “get off your back”, try being honest for a change. You are no real Republican.

        • Manhatlibertarian November 9, 2017 at 1:30 pm

          Well on the one hand it is odd this story never popped up before, considering he has been a statewide candidate several times, and it is now just a few weeks before the election. I assume he will deny it, claiming it is a smear. But if the evidence in the coming days is otherwise he should drop out (which would be fine with me). He certainly is not the first holy hypocrite we have seen in politics.

          • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 1:39 pm

            Does anyone know Alabama’s replacement rules if he drops out?

            Then again, Roy Moore doesn’t seem to be one for taking one for the GOP team, for better or worse.


            • RRR November 9, 2017 at 1:42 pm

              Aaron Blake checked with the State of Alabama and says it’s too late for a replacement.

              https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/928684966602567680


              PA-2/IL-9/NY-7; Bronxville Test conservative
              More Steve Litzows/no Moore Kings or Bannons. Sasse '20

              • TennesseeMike November 9, 2017 at 1:54 pm

                So the story comes out AFTER it’s too late to replace anyone on the ballot. Too convenient if you ask me.


                TN-2 District. A Social and Fiscal Conservative Republican

                • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 4:04 pm

                  Doesnt mean the story isnt true. It just could mean the Washington Post had the story sooner but sat on it (or as they would say fact checked it and gave it to their legal people) until AFTER the deadline to replace him. That’s where the bias comes in. Not if the story is true or false as much as the timing of the release.


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                  • Indy1975a November 9, 2017 at 4:08 pm

                    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Alabama Ds had this story for years and planned on dropping it on the first major general election (either Gov or Sen.) that Moore was in. Remember that Moore was considered a front runner in 2010 for Governor, but ended up a close 4th (he got 19% but the top vote getter got 28%).


                    Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

              • w920us November 9, 2017 at 2:36 pm

                If NJ Democrats can ignore election laws regarding replacement candidates, I don’t see why we can’t replace Moore.

                Or quickly call the legislature in session to change the law


                R, South Philly, 47, Gay, WFU Alum
                #TrumpVoter #NeverHillary

                • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:36 pm

                  Yeah, it’s a GOP trifecta. They could just pass a bill doing the old NJ trick. Hell, I wonder if they could pass a bill cancelling the election and leaving Luther Strange in office until 2019.


                  I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

            • fzw November 9, 2017 at 1:42 pm

              I’m puzzled at why people are thinking he might lose. This is Alabama in a federal race.


              Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
              R-leaning Indy.

              • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 1:46 pm

                I mean, sexual assault on a child is probably a red line that would repel even the most fervent devotees. But I wonder how many Alabamians will just blow it off as media-concocted, lying nonsense (while unironically demanding to know WHY DIDN’T SHE REPORT THIS BEFORE).


                • fzw November 9, 2017 at 1:47 pm

                  And I’m guessing the percentage of voters in Alabama who will be thinking just that is well over 50%


                  Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
                  R-leaning Indy.

                • prsteve11 November 9, 2017 at 2:13 pm

                  The thing is he’s completely denying it and there’s no way to prove something from 1979 so it will likely gain no traction. The difference between him and say Kevin Spacey or (s)Weinstein is they more or less had to admit to what they were being accused of.


                  SC-03, Conservative Republican

                  • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:33 pm

                    Well, the difference with Weinstein is that his sexual proclivities were more or less an open secret in Hollywood. This is kind of more akin to the women accusing Bill Clinton of rape.


                    I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

                    • Boehnerwasright November 9, 2017 at 2:50 pm

                      https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/928708980251201536

                      There seems to have been some rumours about this, but the columnist looks left-leaning so IDK. Let’s see what comes out the next days.
                      But that this comes out now is not that surprising. Roy Moore is in the spotlight as a likely senator and the stories regarding sexual assault starting with Weinstein are evolving into accusations of sexual assult in many different places.
                      The kentucky house speaker resigned from his leadership and some florida state senators resigned or are under fire. That woman are more likely to come forward in such a climate is likely. Not saying the story is 100% true, as I want to want a few days to see what comes out and if the details hold up, but I wouldn’t dismiss it simple because it comes out now.

                    • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 4:08 pm

                      If the rumors where out there about this and no one from Strange’s campaign or the NRSC could have dug this up during the primary they should all be shot for incompetence. They spent millions of dollars tearing down Mo Brooks and didnt bother to do the basic due diligence on Roy Moore. Its a freaking disgrace.


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                    • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:55 pm

                      It seems to be a very stupid thing to immediately dismiss-out-of-hand or non-critically accept these kind of claims. Thus, we can likely presume that the GOP will split between rushing to the former conclusion or rushing to the latter conclusion and then setting up a circular firing squad to settle the issue.


                      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

                    • Republican Michigander November 9, 2017 at 5:06 pm

                      “”If the rumors where out there about this and no one from Strange’s campaign or the NRSC could have dug this up during the primary they should all be shot for incompetence. They spent millions of dollars tearing down Mo Brooks and didnt bother to do the basic due diligence on Roy Moore. Its a freaking disgrace.”””

                      IF the story is true (And I’m not sold on it), this should have been fired off in the primary and by local media way back when.


                      MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

                    • fzw November 9, 2017 at 5:19 pm

                      Nope. I don’t blame the media at all even if they held this story. If you’re gonna get accused of being the liberal Lamestream Media you might as well make it count where it hurts.


                      Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
                      R-leaning Indy.

                    • Son_of_the_South November 9, 2017 at 6:00 pm

                      @FZW
                      Prove your opponents wrong through your actions. Do not become what they say you to be unless you do not deny their charge.


                      24, R, TN-09
                      Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

                    • pstchrisp November 9, 2017 at 8:05 pm

                      I guess they could hold the story if they feel that political payback is more important than the actual crime alleged. As in, “I know this guy did something horrible, but I’ll let him skate until it will do the most damage to him. We’ll wait years if we have to! Sorry victims, you take a back seat to elections! If he loses the Primary, you’ll have to wait a little longer!” Kind of sick if you ask me.

                    • roguemapper November 9, 2017 at 8:09 pm

                      For the record, I would note that Alabama has no statute of limitations for statutory rape. If Roy Moore did in fact do what is alleged, he should be charged. At the very least it would seem to be incumbent on law enforcement to investigate the allegation.


                      Dem NC-11

    • Midnight901 November 9, 2017 at 1:09 pm

      Donald Trump was accused of literally raping a child and the case mysteriously vanished after he became President and it served no political purpose anymore. I see no particular reason to believe this story, given its convenient timing. My guess is somebody thinks they might be able to pull off a Todd Akin Hail Mary in Alabama.

    • RRR November 9, 2017 at 1:15 pm

      Steve Bannon has great taste!


      PA-2/IL-9/NY-7; Bronxville Test conservative
      More Steve Litzows/no Moore Kings or Bannons. Sasse '20

      • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 1:25 pm

        I know, right? Mitch McConnell is a much bigger genius than anyone in Trump’s GOP will give him credit for. His political instincts are as delicate as diamonds resting on gold-leaf bedding. But alas his days are seriously numbered as Majority Leader, one way or another.


        • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:17 pm

          Hey, he could always go back to being Senate Minority Leader…


          I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • HS November 9, 2017 at 5:58 pm

          Neither Bannon nor McConnell is particularly smart politically. As I have discussed ad nauseim before. Just because they oppose each other doesn’t mean one is right and smart.

    • GOPTarHeel November 9, 2017 at 1:31 pm

      Political genius, Steve Bannon everyone.


      R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

    • prsteve11 November 9, 2017 at 2:10 pm

      This is the kind of thing that cannot be proven and Moore is stridently denying it. Honestly, to me it sounds like nonsense and the basest sort of dirty campaigning. Don’t forget that numerous women accused Trump of bad sexual behavior (all of which he denied) and he still won Alabama in a landslide.


      SC-03, Conservative Republican

      • fzw November 9, 2017 at 2:13 pm

        and this is why Moore will win^


        Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
        R-leaning Indy.

      • davybaby November 9, 2017 at 2:38 pm

        No, it can’t be proven, but if it did happen it is unlikely that it was a one time thing. Let’s see if others come forward.

      • andyroo312 November 9, 2017 at 2:49 pm

        Indeed. If Donald “grab ’em by the pussy” Trump can win the heart and souls of the religious right, Moore should still be in dandy shape.


        MA-7

    • Indy1975a November 9, 2017 at 3:03 pm

      Didn’t sound really credible to me. And I doubt Moore would lose regardless, given that this happened more than 30 years ago. If there are multiple cases of this, maybe things get hairy.


      Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

    • segmentation_fault November 9, 2017 at 3:11 pm

      I guess the silver lining for Roy Moore’s campaign prospects is that it wasn’t a boy.

    • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 3:57 pm

      Everyone running the NRSC’s political operation should be fired. They spent how many millions of dollars on Luther Strange and no one could have dug up this freaking story during the primary? WTF!

      If Moore raped a 14 year old girl (and yes a 32 year old having sex with a 14 year old child is rape because they are not of age to consent) there should be no place for him in the US Senate but there should be a very nice spot reserved for him in hell.

      And yes he’s innocent until proven guilty but come on. People usually dont make up stories about sexual abuse like this. But maybe Roy Moore is innocent just like former Seattle Mayor Ed Murray is.


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      • Jon November 10, 2017 at 10:33 am

        Might be best to double check which year AL raised age of consent to 16; HI only raised it to 16 from 14 in 2001.
        Statue of limitations though would also have expired decades ago; and while some states may have removed the limit from all sex related crimes they can not do so retroactively to before the passage of the law.

        There also seemed in the 70s to be widespread limitation : the girl had to be of previous “chaste character” in most states.

        Morality is a different question entirely.


        45, M, MO-02

  • californianintexas November 9, 2017 at 1:30 pm

    Subarus are one of the most popular cars here in Utah. The built-in all-wheel drive makes traversing the snow and hilly terrain even in Salt Lake easier. The safety and reliability records of the cars are also hard to beat. My husband used to drive a Forester and now he drives an Impreza. He inspired me to replace my Hyundai with an Impreza of my own in about 5 or so years.


    34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

    • Ryan_in_SEPA November 9, 2017 at 2:48 pm

      The joke was specifically targeted at certain suburbs where Subaru and Volvo are popular like Chester County, Pennsylvania. i have a Subaru Legacy and have been using the term Subaru Republican for people opposed to Trump, but have historically prone to vote for Republicans up to Trump.


      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

      • shamlet November 9, 2017 at 2:55 pm

        That makes at least 2 Subaru-driving mods here. I love my Outback (the older, real wagon type). I’m hoping to keep it until station wagons come back in style.


        R, MD-7. Put not your trust in princes. Process is more important than outcome.

        • californianintexas November 9, 2017 at 3:17 pm

          When I was a young teenager I wanted an Outback because I thought it would be great for travel, from what I saw on the commercials in the mid-90s. As a kid I also enjoyed the long road trips in my grandpa’s (later dad’s) Chevy Caprice wagon.


          34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

      • californianintexas November 9, 2017 at 5:11 pm

        I figured. I just found it a little funny that Subarus happen to be popular in Utah as well, where anti-Trump fever is not wildly raging. Haven’t seen many Volvos around.


        34, Female, Libertarian, UT-02 (hometown CA-31), theelectionsgeek.com

  • Boehnerwasright November 9, 2017 at 1:53 pm

    While some republicans got enough signatures to recall one state senator in Nevada, they are likely to fail for a second dem staten senator. If they get the signatures for the third state senator is still up in the air.
    As the state senate dems that are up in 2018 are in quite safe dem seats, this could be the best shot to prevent a dem trifecta in 2020 for redistricting besides the gov. race next year.

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/backers-of-republican-led-recall-effort-fail-to-submit-enough-signatures-to-recall-farley

  • TennesseeMike November 9, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    I distrust the “Washington Bleep” that much. Without independent conformation I don’t believe anything they say.

    This was meant to reply to something that has apparently been deleted. If the editors want to delete this, since I already talked about my feeling for the “Washington Bleep” in another post you can do so.


    TN-2 District. A Social and Fiscal Conservative Republican

    • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 2:21 pm

      What don’t you go ahead and say what you mean:

      “These women are lying liars.”


      • TennesseeMike November 9, 2017 at 2:26 pm

        With all the lies the “Washington Bleep” has printed over the years I find it hard to believe them. Don’t attack me, I didn’t attack you. And don’t put words in my mouth. What’s wrong with wanting independent conformation?!


        TN-2 District. A Social and Fiscal Conservative Republican

        • HS November 9, 2017 at 6:03 pm

          That is the liberal way. Attack and name call. It works, so now we get Trump, who does the same thing right back to them.

          Do you think the liberals realise they created Donald Trump? That they made him President? Ironic, ain’t it?

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:27 pm

        You really don’t have to conclude that. It is extremely common for people to genuinely believe in memories of childhood sex abuse that are not actually true. https://psmag.com/social-justice/dangerous-idea-mental-health-93325

        In all honesty, this probably describes most of the people who accused Bill Clinton of rape.


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

  • Mayor Perk November 9, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    .@lisamurkowski says she’s spoken to @SenatorStrange about running a write-in campaign. #ALsen

    https://twitter.com/AnthonyAdragna/status/928697467587190784


    30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

    • district1 November 9, 2017 at 2:09 pm

      MUR
      +
      COW
      +
      SKI


      ex D flack (ex flack, not ex D)

      • Ryan_in_SEPA November 9, 2017 at 2:49 pm

        Strange is far easier. A better bet would be AG Sessions.


        31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

  • Midnight901 November 9, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    Moore’s statement: https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/928697647325728768

    • prsteve11 November 9, 2017 at 2:15 pm

      No equivocation there!


      SC-03, Conservative Republican

      • RRR November 9, 2017 at 2:20 pm

        Because that’s the best marker of truthfulness!


        PA-2/IL-9/NY-7; Bronxville Test conservative
        More Steve Litzows/no Moore Kings or Bannons. Sasse '20

        • Wahoowa November 9, 2017 at 4:32 pm

          “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”<– also unequivocal


          CO-7

          • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 4:44 pm

            As we all learned in 1998 blowjobs are apparently not sex.


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            • davybaby November 9, 2017 at 8:51 pm

              “Eatin’ ain’t cheatin’!”

    • TexasR November 9, 2017 at 2:15 pm

      If it truly is defamation and libel, as he claims, then if he is truly innocent, he should sue. Something tells me he won’t though.


      Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
      Be careful what you wish for

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:20 pm

        No, it’s not defamation/libel, even if he is innocent. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, even in sexual abuse cases. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/nov/24/false-memories-abuse-convict-innocent

        It’s entirely possible for people to simply misremember things like this with no ill intentions. It was a notable feature in some of the Catholic sex abuse scandal cases.

        Things like defamation/libel, especially with public figures (like politicians), more or less require a showing of ill intent/malice.


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • TexasR November 9, 2017 at 2:24 pm

          Well then, as a judge, he should know that it isn’t defamation. Yet, his press release claims that it is.


          Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
          Be careful what you wish for

          • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:29 pm

            It’s like people embellish their language when making political attacks.


            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • krazen1211 November 9, 2017 at 3:05 pm

          Public figures basically cannot claim defamation as shown by the Sarah Palin case.

          • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 4:24 pm

            The goal is not to win the lawsuit but to show your innocence by filing a lawsuit. And for the record Danny Tarkanian won a libel suit he filed against a political opponent from his 2004 state Senate campaign.


            Follow me on Twitter: @Izengabe_

            • krazen1211 November 9, 2017 at 6:21 pm

              But that cannot be the standard, right?

              Correct me if I am wrong, but the Tarkanian case took multiple years and resulted in a $150k cash payout….by which time the Senate term he had run for was already concluded. And he was branded as a loser as a result. So what did he gain, really.

              So basically the left can intentionally dump some 40 year old allegation one month before an election and our candidates are put in a no win situation unless they decide to fight back against this tactic. They tried it on Trump too.

              • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 7:26 pm

                Forget Tarkanian. The real guy who got screwed by this was Ted Stevens.


                I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • TennesseeMike November 9, 2017 at 2:18 pm

      Moore make a good point. The “Washington Bleep” has already written stories lying about and distorting his record. Why should we believe this one any more than the other stories? Without independent conformation, I don’t.


      TN-2 District. A Social and Fiscal Conservative Republican

      • TexasR November 9, 2017 at 2:23 pm

        Why not say what you really mean: “I won’t believe it unless I see it on Fox News or read it on Drudge/Breitbart.”


        Whatever we're talking about, it's all Frank Meyer's fault
        Be careful what you wish for

        • TennesseeMike November 9, 2017 at 2:30 pm

          I would find it more believable coming from nearly anyone other than the “Washington Bleep”. If you must know, I don’t read Drudge or Breitbart. And I don’t watch Fox News a lot.


          TN-2 District. A Social and Fiscal Conservative Republican

          • cer November 9, 2017 at 2:40 pm

            Hey guys, let us all not forget that this is a conservative site, and YES a lot of folks like Fox News and the Drudge Report. WOW shocking!


            Conservative first, Republican second!

            • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:48 pm

              Though a lot of “conservatives” (usually the ones who talk loudest about being conservative and what a “real” conservative is) would cheer to rid American politics of every voter who watch/read either of those.


              I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

            • segmentation_fault November 9, 2017 at 3:19 pm

              Fox News has gone from the GOP version of MSNBC during the Obama years to the American version of North Korean state media under Trump

              • prsteve11 November 9, 2017 at 3:38 pm

                I think that’s taking it a bit far.


                SC-03, Conservative Republican

                • MikeFL November 9, 2017 at 5:07 pm

                  Maybe for the daytime programming, but Hannity/Carlson/Ingraham are for all intents and purposes a mouthpiece of the administration.


                  26 | FL-16/27 | FisCon

              • HS November 9, 2017 at 6:07 pm

                Interesting. So liberals on a conservative website have no problem routinely attacking Fox or Breitbart as fake, but when conservatives point out that the Post and MSM organs are just as fake, the liberals here viciously attack and name call.

            • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 4:25 pm

              Hey guys, let us all not forget that this is a conservative site, and YES a lot of conservatives don’t like people who rape children.


              Follow me on Twitter: @Izengabe_

          • RRR November 9, 2017 at 2:47 pm

            Enough with the “Washington Bleep.”


            PA-2/IL-9/NY-7; Bronxville Test conservative
            More Steve Litzows/no Moore Kings or Bannons. Sasse '20

            • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 4:27 pm

              I’m sorry what does the “Bleep” stand for? Also I’m pretty sure the paper’s official name is the Amazon Washington Post.


              Follow me on Twitter: @Izengabe_

              • davybaby November 9, 2017 at 8:55 pm

                The WaPo is owned by Bezos personally, not by Amazon.

        • Son_of_the_South November 9, 2017 at 2:48 pm

          You know the rules. No personal attacks. This is a warning.


          24, R, TN-09
          Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

    • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 4:19 pm

      That statement is not from Moore. It is from his campaign. He needs to deny it in person not have his campaign people send out press releases. Let him swear on a bible in front of cameras that he’s innocent. Until then it’s a BS campaign press release.


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      • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 4:28 pm

        If he does that, I think he’ll still cruise to victory. Your median Alabama voter will look that he’s swearing on a Bible and pretty much conclude “alright, the allegations are probably not true.”

        That being said, if he doesn’t do something like that, it’s a really really bad sign.


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 4:35 pm

          Of course if a “man” is willing to rape a 14 year old child he probably he’s probably willing to lie when swearing on the bible.


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          • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 4:40 pm

            You’d think so, but that’s a pretty simplistic understanding of the human psyche. Religion isn’t that good at stopping people from committing terrible acts, but it’s actually pretty good at making them feel bad about it after the fact. There is in fact a good reason why we’ve forced people to swear oaths on Bibles for centuries.

            Whether or not Roy Moore is willing to go on TV and swear he’s innocent in front of a Bible is actually pretty relevant to whether I think he’s guilty or not. And I’m not myself religious in any way! I just know this is how religion works for people.

            To your median Alabama voter, who is probably very religious, I think it matters too.


            I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

            • Ryan_in_SEPA November 9, 2017 at 5:22 pm

              i completely agree. Until Moore does something like this, i presume the allegations are true.

              As an aside, we might be seeing the religious right in cardiac arrest now. The death of the upper middle income suburban moderate right and religious right in one week!


              31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

              • SlippingJimmy November 9, 2017 at 5:33 pm

                Realignment right before our eyes…


                Republican, TX-22.

              • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 6:33 pm

                What religious right?


  • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    Here’s my prediction. The GOP by the end of the week goes full Akin, disavows his candidacy, writes the seat off, some Republicans mount a weak write-in campaign, some stick with Moore, he stays in, and loses to Jones by double digits next month.


    • fzw November 9, 2017 at 2:28 pm

      That would be quite something but I want to see a poll first. If the responses in this thread are as indicative as I think the median voter in the state will take it, then I’m skeptical.


      Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
      R-leaning Indy.

    • cer November 9, 2017 at 2:31 pm

      Here is my prediction, he stays in and still wins, but not by double digit numbers.


      Conservative first, Republican second!

      • Indy1975a November 9, 2017 at 3:17 pm

        That’s what I see it as. And it is single digits only because another R will mount a weak write-in campaign and get something like 7%.


        Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

      • andyroo312 November 9, 2017 at 3:22 pm

        At this point, presuming Moore remains on the ballot and there aren’t additional accusations, I suspect Moore 52-48.


        MA-7

    • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 2:33 pm

      Let’s face it, Moore winning is a bigger political problem for the Senate GOP than Moore losing.


      • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 2:36 pm

        They didn’t want to seat Moore before today. Now there’s no way they’d do it.


        • cer November 9, 2017 at 2:42 pm

          Then what??? New appointment then another NEW election!?


          Conservative first, Republican second!

          • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 2:55 pm

            Nope. They’re going to simply accept that their majority will be cut by one (admittedly important) seat. The GOP is already living out it’s own worst nightmare this year, and particularly this week. There are no good options. There is no good news. It’s bad, and they know it. have to cut bait and take what you’ve got. That’s what will happen here.

            There are a huge number of Republicans who at this point just want to see the party blown to shreds to cleanse the GOP of its Trumpist moment. That number s growing, by the way like, not shrinking, even if rank and file GOP voters think they’re living in some GOP golden era.


            • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:58 pm

              Oddly, I’m also fine with blowing the party to shreds to rid American politics of these people, if they’re so intent on basically destroying any kind of conceivable center-right majority. The GOP really seems to have a consensus on nothing else except that it should die and let American politics for the next two decades turn into Hillary Clinton v. Bernie Sanders.

              If the GOP bungles this race, it can look forward to a Blue Congress in 2018.


              I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

            • AD123 November 9, 2017 at 3:07 pm

              The anti-Trump GOP already had their opportunity to crush Trump – the primaries. They failed miserably, and it looks even worse when you consider that Cruz was barely acceptable to many anti-Trumpers. Trump may have lost some support since then, but if you “cleanse” a party of its rank and file you’re left with a think tank, not a viable party.

              • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 4:32 pm

                Trump endorsed the other guy in this race. Moore won despite Trump campaigning against him so I dont quite follow the logic here. If the Republican voters of Alabama had only listen to Donald Trump’s sage advice and voted for Luther Strange the GOP wouldnt be in this mess!


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            • cer November 9, 2017 at 3:15 pm

              My guess if he wins, he will be seated and then resigns…. for a new senator to be appointed.


              Conservative first, Republican second!

        • Greyhound November 9, 2017 at 3:09 pm

          Yeah, there’s a pretty good chance McConnell just refuses to seat him over the allegations as an excuse to not have him in the Senate.


          R, 26, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

          • krazen1211 November 9, 2017 at 3:11 pm

            Don’t think you can legally do that. It was tried with Clayton Powell in the House and briefly discussed with Roland Burris in the Senate.

            • Indy1975a November 9, 2017 at 3:18 pm

              You can expel him though and let the Governor pick a replacement.


              Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

              • krazen1211 November 9, 2017 at 3:24 pm

                Possibly. I could see that legally challenged too for prior conduct decades ago.

                Although putting that out there along with Menendez would be interesting. Christie doesn’t leave office until January.

                • Ryan_in_SEPA November 9, 2017 at 3:38 pm

                  The Senate is the sole judge of the qualifications of its members. That is even a bridge too far for the courts.


                  31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

                  • krazen1211 November 9, 2017 at 4:32 pm

                    Well, that was the Powell case, right?

                    https://www.oyez.org/cases/1968/138

                    The requirements are age and residency and not whether a person is a nice person or not.

                    In any case, there’s nothing in Moore’s background to hint that he would walk away willingly, and a write in campaign is more likely to let a Democrat win with 40% of the vote rather than accomplish anything. I am not sure if there is any way to force a candidate out. Torricelli walked away on his own.

    • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:35 pm

      A lot more evidence would have to come out for the GOP to try to actually abandon him. Evidence that can’t really come out before the election unless he flat out goes on TV and says “yeah, I did it”. All of the GOP “we’ll abandon him if the allegations are true” is irrelevant because they can’t be proven true in time for the election.


      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

      • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 2:38 pm

        Give it time. They are being asked without even reading the story. What else are they going to say? These things usually work themselves out, and I’m pretty much guaranteeing you that the majority of the GOP will be denouncing his candidacy by the start of next week. So be patient.


        • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:46 pm

          Would be dumb if they did it. So they very well might do it. Because they shouldn’t want to be in a scenario where they all denounce Moore, he loses the election, and then a year after the election, he’s proven innocent. Because then everyone with some ideological affinity with him (presumably the religious right, which still matters) starts screaming that the GOP purposely sabotaged his campaign.


          I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

        • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 2:49 pm

          McCain just gave an unqualified endorsement of him stepping down, whatever that even means. So it’s already happening.


    • GOPTarHeel November 9, 2017 at 2:51 pm

      Gotta say, you’re ridiculously pessimistic. I seem to remember you telling me I had my head in the sand over North Carolina in 2016’s early votes in 2016…how did that play out? There’s no need for the apocalyptic tone.


      R/NC-13. I'll never regret a vote that resulted in Neil Gorsuch.

      • Chris Rawlings November 9, 2017 at 3:00 pm

        So we’ll see what happens, I guess. Maybe I’m wrong. I was (mostly) right about Virginia. I thought Northam could easily end up with a double digit margin of victory. That seemed crazy last weekend. But I’m not always right. So we’ll see.


    • Indy1975a November 9, 2017 at 3:14 pm

      I’ll give you a 20-1 bet that Moore will win. (It was 1000-1 before this came out).

      The only reason that it is 20-1 is the possibility of a write-in campaign by someone else. Doug Jones won’t break 43-45%, that I can guarantee.


      Independent, R until November 2016. Proud "Globalist Cuck"!

  • MosheM November 9, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    NRSC chairman Cory Gardner: “If these allegations are found to be true, Roy Moore must drop out of the Alabama special Senate election.”


    29, M, R, NY-10

    • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 2:29 pm

      Kind of an irrelevant statement since there’s no way that would happen before the election, even if it WERE true.


      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • cer November 9, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      Corey Gardner said exactly the right thing.


      Conservative first, Republican second!

  • Conservative First November 9, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    Poll: Duggan Beats Schuette 47-32%; Whitmer Up 41-40%
    Target Insyght polling conducted for MIRS over the last week shows Democrat Mike DUGGAN beating Republican Attorney General Bill SCHUETTE 47 to 32 percent, a 15-point margin, in a hypothetical matchup.
    http://www.mirsnews.com

    • Republican Michigander November 9, 2017 at 5:34 pm

      Duggan scares the hell out of me as a potential opponent. Him and Hackel.

      My opinion of polls is well known, but I do buy that one – at least for now unless Duggan’s skeletons are all out there.


      MI-08 - Michigan is a red state again. We need a 50 state strategy and an 83 county strategy.

  • andrew_1918 November 9, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    Big Luther cannot run as a write-in candidate. ‘Bama’s got a sore-loser law:
    “This provision basically allows every candidate only one opportunity to run for an elected position in any given year.”
    https://twitter.com/pkcapitol/status/928704884060368896

    …Mo Brooks?

    • Mayor Perk November 9, 2017 at 3:05 pm

      Not true. Sore loser law doesn’t apply to defeated primary opponents according to AL SoS. However, write in votes must be handwritten.

      http://sos.alabama.gov/newsroom/casting-write-vote-press-release


      30. OH-12. Establishment Republican.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 3:08 pm

        I don’t think the laws really matter that much considering that the GOP trifecta can just change whatever law they need to change in order to win this race if needed.

        If Moore actually is guilty and steps down, then the GOP can easily salvage this race.

        The problem is that I suspect he’s not and that the GOP will try to get him to drop out anyways and an incensed Moore will go “screw these guys, I’m innocent, time to keep going!” and a Democrat is going to sneak in through this and the GOP will just spend the next year on recriminations on what the hell happened.

        Going to be a lot of circular firing squads if the GOP Ted Stevens itself.


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

  • andyroo312 November 9, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    McCain is calling on Moore to step aside.


    MA-7

    • cer November 9, 2017 at 3:17 pm

      Fair enough as long as McCain does the same over his health issues which seems to be a growing concern….


      Conservative first, Republican second!

      • segmentation_fault November 9, 2017 at 3:22 pm

        Bc having cancer and assaulting a minor are the same…

        • MikeFL November 9, 2017 at 3:37 pm

          Yeah that’s a little much.


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      • andyroo312 November 9, 2017 at 3:23 pm

        WTF


        MA-7

      • RRR November 9, 2017 at 3:32 pm

        Whoa. This comment is in extremely poor taste, and it unequivocally violates site norms. Come back in two days if you can respect our values.


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    • prsteve11 November 9, 2017 at 3:37 pm

      I don’t agree with McCain’s kneejerk reaction to this. The allegations need to be proven true – otherwise a very bad precedent is set. Anyone can then accuse anyone of anything and then the accused person must step down? I don’t think that’s a good idea.


      SC-03, Conservative Republican

  • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 3:27 pm

    If we’re really at the point when running a write-in campaign is a good idea, why not just cancel the election? Just pass a bill that says special election doesn’t have to happen until November, 2018.


    I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • Indy1975a November 9, 2017 at 3:37 pm

      You can only do this if Moore agrees to drop out. If Moore continues to hold firm, he will have the majority of Rs behind him, and if the legislature cancels the election, they will feel the wrath of the Moore supporters in the primary next year who feel the election was stolen from him. (and the primary effectively overturned as Strange stays in the Senate until 2019)


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      • Ryan_in_SEPA November 9, 2017 at 3:41 pm

        We aren’t a banana republic. Cancelling a special election is one of those things that could lead to a black MTF transgender woman from NY winning in Alabama.


        31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

      • fzw November 9, 2017 at 3:44 pm

        Yeah all he has to do is say the lyin’ crooked media is out to get him and he wins by double digits.


        Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
        R-leaning Indy.

      • VastBlightKingConspiracy November 9, 2017 at 4:09 pm

        Yeah, which is why I said the GOP is actually fine if he’s guilty and everyone in the GOP knows it. The GOP is screwed if he’s innocent and nobody in the GOP knows it.


        I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Republican.

    • Lucas Black November 9, 2017 at 3:41 pm

      I will admit I was no fan of Moore, but I had resigned myself to him winning. But as it stands, I believe the story. I don’t know how this plays out – Moore is no more likely to drop out than Akin was and I’m not sure he can be forced. I’m a lot less bothered with him hitting on the 17yo than doing what he did with the 14yo and I think the article made a mistake combining them, though I get that they were trying to establish a pattern of behavior.

  • cer November 9, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    I do apologize for that….didn’t mean in any way to compare having cancer to accusing someone for child assault.


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  • GorrestFump November 9, 2017 at 3:57 pm

    PA maps could be redrawn.

    https://twitter.com/Dan_F_Jacobson/status/928723603444682758

    • Ryan_in_SEPA November 9, 2017 at 4:12 pm

      i wouldn’t be surprised if this get sent to the US Supreme Court eventually.

      Arguably the PA Dems need gerrymandering more than the Republicans. When your party only exists in about 7 to 9 counties, you need creative line drawing to get a 50/50 split.


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      • fzw November 9, 2017 at 4:13 pm

        I think they’d gladly trade PA-6, 7, and 8 for PA-17.


        Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
        R-leaning Indy.

        • Ryan_in_SEPA November 9, 2017 at 4:27 pm

          You are probably being too generous. A nice clean map probably goes 13-5 in good years for Republicans and 11-7 in bad years.


          31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

          • fzw November 9, 2017 at 4:30 pm

            Literal nobodies just steamrolled incumbent Republicans across suburban Philly two days ago.


            Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
            R-leaning Indy.

            • Greyhound November 9, 2017 at 4:58 pm

              Its not like the current maps would stop them then. If we’re going to lose PA 6, 7, and 8 anyway we might as well take PA-17 for the deal.


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        • Indy1975a November 9, 2017 at 4:27 pm

          It actually could be more than that. PA-15 and PA-18 could be a tad bit more competitive, such that a D could win them in a great year. And if PA-17 remains centered around Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, it may still be a winnable district for Cartwright, at least in the short term.


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        • rdelbov November 9, 2017 at 4:31 pm

          Getting resolved by 2018 could mean that the high court does nothing with this PA lawsuit.

          • Jon November 10, 2017 at 10:52 am

            The other way would be if plaintiff isn’t raising any federal issues but is instead only raising state ones.

            Main hypothetical example of state claims: Plaintiff claims such map violations county integrity requirements of the state constitution by illegally splitting county ____ that could have been left intact without causing another county to be split.

            Second example: Many US states, particularly along the east coast have similar (and in some cases identical) language to the bill of rights within their state constitution. So a clever lawyer not wanting federal review could in state courts simply claim it violated the state constitution while avoiding all mention of the parallel provision within the US constitution.

            I agree; if PA high court strikes down on the basis of federal law, the decision gets stayed thru the 2018 cycle while SCOTUS decides weather or not to review it during the summer. Might even simply be returned back to PA to reconsider in light of the upcoming WI decision.


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      • Indy1975a November 9, 2017 at 4:25 pm

        While the Rs will do better than the Ds under a court-drawn map as a whole, the Ds will do better under a court-drawn map that the current one. In particular, the three Philly suburban districts would likely become more competitive. The only district that could go the other way is the 17th, and even that would be mitigated by losing Schuylkill Co. Basically 11-7 is better than 13-5 for the Ds.


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        • Jon November 10, 2017 at 10:58 am

          The rules on drawing the lines matter a lot.

          CO Supreme Court basically ignore the county boundaries in the Denver area resulting in +1 D -1R for Congressional seats compared to applying county integrity requirements to them.


          45, M, MO-02

    • TennesseeMike November 9, 2017 at 4:14 pm

      Why not let the courts draw all the maps? That’s where we seem to be headed. When does this stop? When Democrats are assured of a majority for the next century?


      TN-2 District. A Social and Fiscal Conservative Republican

  • MosheM November 9, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    Menendez trial blockbuster: A juror dismissed bc of her planned vacation told reporters Menendez “did nothing wrong,” the prosecution is “corrupted” and that they “railroaded” the senator. She said if she stayed on, Menendez would have been not guilty on all counts.

    The juror said she thinks it will end up in a hung jury. Some think he’s guilty, some not.

    This juror was dismissed because Judge William Walls promised that she could take a long-planned vacation during jury selection. The judge didn’t anticipate the trial going this long.

    While this is an encouraging sign for Menendez, it’s also very unfortunate for him. This juror would have been a firm not guilty vote on all charges. She says she wouldn’t have been moved. Now she’s off the jury.

    https://twitter.com/MattFriedmanNJ/status/928738044085194752


    29, M, R, NY-10

  • jncca November 9, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    CA St. Sen Tony Mendoza (D-GoldenStatesman’s district) is accused of inappropriate conduct towards a young (adult) staffer I am friendly with, as well as firing 3 of his staffers who were involved in helping report the conduct in some way. Oh, and he’s Kevin De Leon’s housemate.

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article183704591.html


    24, CA-6. Part Obama, Part May, Part Christian Democrat.

    • MosheM November 9, 2017 at 7:14 pm

      Weinstein really started a wave.

      We somehow discovered that harassment happens everywhere everyday.


      29, M, R, NY-10

      • Greyhound November 10, 2017 at 3:32 am

        If only a major public figure had mentioned about a year ago how easy it would be for a powerful man to coerce women into providing sexual favors! I bet it would have been national news!


        R, 26, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

  • Tekzilla November 9, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    AL-SEN

    Saw someone on twitter say that if the winner is below 50% due to a write off campaign or whatever that the entire process is invalidated and we get new primaries and start over. Is that true? Seems insane if so.


    36/M/NY-01 (D)

    • roguemapper November 9, 2017 at 7:55 pm

      I’m almost certain that’s incorrect. There’s a provision in AL election law that if no one receives 50% in a runoff that there will be a second runoff, but that provision applies only to certain municipal and county offices. I also assume that, if it were true, the AL Sec. of State would note that when talking about a potential write-in campaign.

      http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alabama-secretary-of-state-republicans-stuck-with-roy-moore-but-luther-strange-can-do-write-in/article/2640226


      Dem NC-11

    • Manhatlibertarian November 9, 2017 at 8:09 pm

      Sounds strange to me. Does Alabama have a run off if no candidate gets 50% for Senate? Don’t know for sure but I don’t think so. So I have my doubts about the twitter story.

      I don’t like Moore and would not be unhappy to see him lose and I suspect the story is true. But I’m not a typical Alabama voter and many of them are very suspicious of establishment liberal newspapers like the WaPo. They will wonder why is this something a Washington paper knows about but not the local Alabama media? If Moore says it is a smear by the liberal establishment many in the state will believe him, unless more people who were under the age of consent (which I think is 16 in Alabama) come forward and claim he had sex with them. I think it is probably too late to start a write in campaign. So if nothing else develops, Moore is damaged but remains competitive with Jones, particularly since Jones is more like a Northern Dem in his views and is not really a centrist. The thing is if it does turn out he was having sex with underage girls all over the place, why is it the Strange campaign didn’t have a clue? Not very good opposition research.

  • MosheM November 9, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    JMC is starting an Alabama poll.


    29, M, R, NY-10

  • w920us November 9, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    Former US Rep. Hoekstra has now been confirmed to be Ambassador to the Netherlands.


    R, South Philly, 47, Gay, WFU Alum
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    • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 7:47 pm

      Hopefully he can help the Dutch build a turtle fence!


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      • rdw72777 November 9, 2017 at 11:32 pm

        It’s time 😜

        • TexasR November 9, 2017 at 11:34 pm

          Is he enough of a winner to make Belgium pay for it?


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          Be careful what you wish for

  • MosheM November 9, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    From @VPPressSec on ROY MOORE: “The Vice President found the allegations in the story disturbing and believes, if true, this would disqualify anyone from serving in office.”


    29, M, R, NY-10

    • segmentation_fault November 9, 2017 at 8:17 pm

      If they got Roy Moore off the ballot and managed to replace him or rally behind a write-in candidate, it could not be Luther Strange. Then Trumpists would see it as the establishment rigging the election for their candidate who was rejected by voters. They probably will see it that way no matter who the candidate was, but the optics are just so bad with Strange.

      • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 8:19 pm

        But Trump endorsed Luther Strange! Strange was the Trumpist candidate!!!


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        • HS November 9, 2017 at 11:42 pm

          Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

          Just roll with it 😉

  • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    If you haven’t done so already I highly recommend you read Jonah Goldberg’s take on the Roy Moore allegations. Goldberg is 100% right:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453612/roy-moore-washington-post-allegations-saving-moore-isnt-worth-it


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    • Indy1975a November 9, 2017 at 11:35 pm

      I agree with him 100%, but it is kind of a rant. Yes national cons and Rs can denounce Roy Moore and even openly support the D. But it isn’t going to sway Moore’s voters or even the majority of voters in Alabama. Even if this latest stuff ends up sounding credible, Moore is very likely to beat Jones and make it to the Senate. Moore isn’t going to drop out, isn’t a team player, and he will make it a point to be a huge pain in the rear once he gets to DC (likely voting against every major R bill “from the right”), all while the Ds use Moore as a cudgel. He can be expelled from the Senate, but if that happens, I’m sure he runs again in 2018 special.
      I’m just not sure what can be done about this guy (Moore losing isn’t going to happen).


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  • Izengabe November 9, 2017 at 8:18 pm

    Roy Moore is fundraising off of a story alleging he sexually abused a 14 year old girl.
    https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/928751289365876736


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  • fzw November 9, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    Northam won at least 58/100 HoD seats. This doesn’t include absentees

    https://www.vpap.org/visuals/visual/2017-governor-results-house-district-1/


    Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
    R-leaning Indy.

    • fzw November 9, 2017 at 9:23 pm

      Shows the self-packing problem can very easily apply to the GOP in rural areas.


      Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
      R-leaning Indy.

      • shamlet November 9, 2017 at 9:25 pm

        Or that the map was an incredible dummymander. There are a ton of bacon strips in NoVa. I’d bet Northam would have won significantly fewer seats in a fair map.


        R, MD-7. Put not your trust in princes. Process is more important than outcome.

        • fzw November 9, 2017 at 9:32 pm

          I’m not so sure. The counties/cities he won had a combined population that exceeded his 54% vote share. In other words, his win was actually pretty geographically evenly distributed despite the intuition of many of his cities being D vote sinks. Nearly all of Gillespie’s counties were tiny 65%+ R counties.

          A fair map probably gains Democrats a seat or two in Albemarle County, makes HD-12 entirely Montgomery County-centered, and still probably maintains about the same number of Northam seats in metro Richmond, NOVA and Hampton Roads.


          Currently MO-5. From MO-3.
          R-leaning Indy.

          • Boehnerwasright November 9, 2017 at 10:08 pm

            The rural self packing was a thing I also thought about after Trump’s 2016 election. But before concluding too much we should wait how the 2018 elections turn out and if the trend continues.
            If the trend continues, compact often court drawn maps should be better for democrats.

  • Ryan_in_SEPA November 9, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    PA-Lt. Gov / PA-US Senate: Bartos drops to Lt. Governor and is running as Wagner’s Governor candidate:

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/bartos-wagner-pennsylvania-governor-senate-20171108.html

    Interesting combination, but shows Wagner might be the most calculating politician in Pennsylvania. The man disappears when things get nasty, is conservative blowhard when needed, then courts moderates.


    31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

  • Manhatlibertarian November 9, 2017 at 9:10 pm

    I find it interesting that although pollsters in Va were off (RCP average Northam lead 3.3% vs 8.9% actual lead) in NJ they did a pretty good job (RCP average Murphy lead 14.4% vs 13.3% actual lead). So why did they do a good job in NJ but not Va? I read somewhere that the Dem share of the electorate in Va. in the past election was 4 points above the share in the 2013 Gov election; I think the national media focus placed on Va as opposed to NJ may have worked to galvanize the high Dem turnout that pollsters didn’t see coming. But that is just my guess.

    • Ryan_in_SEPA November 9, 2017 at 9:36 pm

      It might also have to do with the inelastic base support Republicans get in New Jersey and the state being a pretty stable place demographically speaking. Very little of what happened in New Jersey had to do with the national environment and the hatred of Christie is long standing.


      31, PA-6, fiscally conservative communitarian, Giant Meteor 2020 - Just End It Already!

  • Manhatlibertarian November 9, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    This Rand Paul attack story still has odd unexplained elements. Now Paul’s alleged attacker is pleading not guilty even to a minor 4th degree assault charge, never mind a more serious assault charge that could be leveled against him for breaking ribs. Meanwhile Paul seems to be denying reports that the incident was over some “trivial” landscaping dispute. Paul and Boucher haven’t talked in years, so it wasn’t like they had been having an argument recently. So what is the motive behind the attack?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rand-paul-tweets-reports-disputing-claims-of-landscaping-drama/

  • Manhatlibertarian November 9, 2017 at 9:56 pm

    Use this website for story instead:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rand-paul-tweets-reports-disputing-neighbors-claims-of-landscaping-drama/

    • HS November 9, 2017 at 11:44 pm

      We know why Paul was attacked. The attacker was a crazed Socialist Democrat. Sort of like the guy that shot Scalise.

      • Son_of_the_South November 10, 2017 at 1:14 am

        That’s quite a charge to make without evidence that that was his motivation. Is that his political bent? Yes, it seems so. However, was that what motivated him to attack Paul? We don’t know.


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        Classical liberals are a minority. Fusionism is the answer.

        • HS November 10, 2017 at 12:50 pm

          Please. The evidence strongly indicates that. Paul tweeted out the articles about his neighbors saying it had nothing to do with personal problems. The guy is a known crazy socialist. And the source of “its a personal dispute” was the guys lawyer, who clearly wants to paint his guy in the best possible light.

  • roguemapper November 10, 2017 at 2:08 am

    So I see that at least 16 GOP Senators have issued if-this-is-true condemnations of Roy Moore. Have any Democrats commented or are they too busy stocking up on popcorn? Not that I see any reason for Democrats to get in the way!


    Dem NC-11

  • andrew_1918 November 10, 2017 at 2:53 am

    “AL SEN: Quickie private poll of adults (NOT LVs) shared with me. Conducted few hours ago. 62% don’t believe the new charges against Moore (most hadn’t heard, were told short summary). But IF TRUE, 82% want him to withdraw from the race”
    https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/928791145026637824

    • Izengabe November 10, 2017 at 10:16 am

      Who are the 18% who are OK with a man who sexually abused a 14 year old child staying in the senate race? That number really should be 100%.


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      • Jon November 10, 2017 at 11:06 am

        This 18% is largely going to be those outraged at what seems to them as outrageous malicious allegations and simply answering this way to make their point.
        Along with a certain percentage of people will be contrarian.
        And if the poll is verbal; someone being sarcastic and the pollster taking him literally.


        45, M, MO-02

        • shamlet November 10, 2017 at 11:51 am

          People also can just press buttons wrong or without thinking. I can’t tell you how many times in our polls we’ve found that people have answered they have already early-voted and are still undecided.


          R, MD-7. Put not your trust in princes. Process is more important than outcome.

          • Greyhound November 10, 2017 at 7:59 pm

            Yeah, Polling in general is basically the art of parsing the BS and random noise out from the rest of your data.


            R, 26, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

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